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The Church Fathers- Mary: Ever Virgin
The Church Fathers ^ | 120AD-450AD

Posted on 05/31/2011 11:53:33 AM PDT by marshmallow

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To: Quix

541 posted on 06/02/2011 1:54:02 PM PDT by Cronos (Palin, Cain, Jindal)
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To: Lera; Iscool
Thank you Lera: Actually he is sitting at the right hand until his enemies are made his footstool.
The right hand is a symbol of power used throughout the Old Testament.

I'm not sure if Iscool would agree to this -- some folks believe that God the Father is the same person as Jesus and the Holy SPirit.

542 posted on 06/02/2011 1:56:22 PM PDT by Cronos (Palin, Cain, Jindal)
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To: Quix
oh, it's pretty clear that you do not display the fruit of the Holy Spirit at all in your posts

saying Quix: Luther doesn’t cut any ice with me.

He was clearly brainwashed by horrific deceptions, too.

543 posted on 06/02/2011 1:57:34 PM PDT by Cronos (Palin, Cain, Jindal)
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To: Iscool; Lera; metmom
Iscool: Jesus is God...The Holy Spirit is God and the Father is God...

If Mary is the Mother of God, Mary is the Mother of all three...

now you do not understand the nature of the Trinity -- three hypostases but one substance/essence. The bearer of one is not the bearers of the others.

If we take your philosophy that they all share the same hypostasis, then your statement is true, because Mary was the Mother of Jesus undoubtedly

now either you believe that Jesus Christ is God or not. If He is God, then what was Mary the mother of?

544 posted on 06/02/2011 2:01:33 PM PDT by Cronos (Palin, Cain, Jindal)
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To: stfassisi

The Second person of the Trinity didn’t come into existence when Mary conceived.

Christ, as part of the Trinity, existed without beginning as the Father and the Holy Spirit. He appears at several times in the OT in a theophany.

She gave birth to the physical body He lived in on this earth. She did not give birth to His spiritual nature.


545 posted on 06/02/2011 2:25:35 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Cronos

I’m certainly quite flawed.

However, I think I’ll go on trusting Christ’s Blood and God’s perfect judgment on such scores.


546 posted on 06/02/2011 2:26:29 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Cronos; Amityschild; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; HossB86; ...

BTW, Do you know if this

new dogma you seem to be espousing

has gotten into the Vatican Cult Catechism yet?

. . .

That Vatican Cult and Ortho’s get special indulgences or out of Purgatory early or blanket forgiveness for whatever

based on . . .

drum roll . . .

purported Proddy sins?

How exactly did Ishtar-Mary inform the magicsterical of the new dogma?


547 posted on 06/02/2011 2:30:28 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix
The dogma of the Trinity is what we Christians have always believed. three hypostases but one substance/essence.

Though, wait a minute -- you believe that after your death, you get a final sanctification and see your life flash before your eyes, correct?

548 posted on 06/02/2011 2:32:58 PM PDT by Cronos (Palin, Cain, Jindal)
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To: Quix
Apocalypse 4:3-6 tells us
[3] And he that sat, was to the sight like the jasper and the sardine stone; and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. [4] And round about the throne were four and twenty seats; and upon the seats, four and twenty ancients sitting, clothed in white garments, and on their heads were crowns of gold.

[5] And from the throne proceeded lightnings, and voices, and thunders; and there were seven lamps burning before the throne, which are the seven spirits of God.

[6] And in the sight of the throne was, as it were, a sea of glass like to crystal; and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four living creatures, full of eyes before and behind

this is a description of the throne occupied by God in His three hypostases

This is further described in Apocalypse 5:6

And I saw: and behold in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the ancients, a Lamb standing as it were slain, having seven horns and seven eyes: which are the seven Spirits of God, sent forth into all the earth
But remember 1 Tim 6:16
[16] Who only hath immortality, and inhabiteth light inaccessible, whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and empire everlasting. Amen
we may never be able to understand completely the enormity that is the Godhead, but we can focus on the Lamb, Jesus Christ, the Son, the Word of God
549 posted on 06/02/2011 2:35:03 PM PDT by Cronos (Palin, Cain, Jindal)
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To: Quix

Why exactly did Jesse Duplantis believe that he zoomed to heaven, met Abraham and David and comforted Jesus?


550 posted on 06/02/2011 2:36:20 PM PDT by Cronos (Palin, Cain, Jindal)
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To: Quix
Why exactly did Jesse Duplantis believe that he zoomed to heaven, met Abraham and David and comforted Jesus?

What was that you were saying about believeing in unbiblical stuff straight from hell?

551 posted on 06/02/2011 2:37:25 PM PDT by Cronos (Palin, Cain, Jindal)
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To: Quix
I’m certainly quite flawed.

How so? Do you have any examples, or is that just posturing?

552 posted on 06/02/2011 2:39:22 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: Quix
Why exactly did Jesse Duplantis believe that he zoomed to heaven, met Abraham and David and comforted Jesus?

What was that you were saying about believeing in unbiblical stuff straight from hell?

And how come your Benny Hinn is also showing the devil's horns?


553 posted on 06/02/2011 2:39:35 PM PDT by Cronos (Palin, Cain, Jindal)
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To: Quix

Jesse Duplantis, the guy who preached that You, not God, Decides When to Die

“I’m going to say something that will knock your lights off. Go has the power to take life, but He can’t. He’s got the power to do it, but He won’t. He’s bound; He can’t. He says, “Death and life is in the power of” who’s tongue? Yours. You ready for this? You want something that’ll knock your lights off? You choose when you live; you choose when you die. Death and life is in the power of your tongue, not God’s.
As you said "wholesale gross UNBiblical deceptions from hell" -- what do you think of Herr Duplantis now?
554 posted on 06/02/2011 2:44:43 PM PDT by Cronos (Palin, Cain, Jindal)
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To: Quix
yes, as I said, it's pretty clear that you do not display the fruit of the Holy Spirit at all in your posts

Falsehoods are not the fruit of the Holy Spirit.

556 posted on 06/02/2011 2:47:20 PM PDT by Cronos (Palin, Cain, Jindal)
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To: Iscool; lastchance
Iscool: I am the church, a small c, the body of Jesus Christ.

Interesting... the next Moon Sung lee?

557 posted on 06/02/2011 2:48:28 PM PDT by Cronos (Palin, Cain, Jindal)
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To: helloandgoodbye
What about your leaders? What sign do they show?

And if you really are a Messianic Jew, how do you reconcile the stories that the Tanakh differs from the Old Testament?

558 posted on 06/02/2011 2:57:06 PM PDT by Cronos (Palin, Cain, Jindal)
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To: helloandgoodbye
And, do you believe in Benny Hinn's belief in 9 gods?
God has 9 parts (tri-theistic).

A. God has a body, soul and spirit.
B. Jesus has a body, soul and spirit.
C. Holy Spirit has a body, soul and spirit. (Benny Hinn, Benny Hinn broadcast, recorded 10/13/90)

Is that valid in your opinion?
559 posted on 06/02/2011 2:58:46 PM PDT by Cronos (Palin, Cain, Jindal)
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To: helloandgoodbye
What about this one -- "He [Jesus] who is righteous by choice said, 'The only way I can stop sin is by Me becoming it. I can't just stop it by letting it touch Me; I and it must become one.' Hear this! He who is the nature of God became the nature of Satan where He became sin!" (Benny Hinn, TBN, 12/1/90).

As a Messianic Jew you must reject this, right?

560 posted on 06/02/2011 3:00:00 PM PDT by Cronos (Palin, Cain, Jindal)
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