The Church Fathers- Mary: Ever Virgin

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[Quix]

Maybe it’s an indemic infection . . .

generated by the same stuff that caused

such

mangling of History
mangling of Scripture
mangling of DAFFYNITIONS
mangling of ‘logic’

etc.

[OpusatFR]

Pot...meet kettle.

Mote...meet speck.

[OpusatFR]

“Guess that’s why it takes a few small novels to articulate what’s not found in the scriptures...”

What are you talking about. The scripture verses are at the links.

Some people want a simple religion that says: “You shall handle snakes and not get bitten, you shall drink poison and not die.”

So that they do, completely misunderstanding the meaning the verses. ~and they get bitten and die.

Others want to actually understand and try to know how God answers and relates to us and we to him.

You can have a religion that gives you literalism to the nth degree like Islam, or you can have Christianity.

This is excellent: http://jaysanalysis.com/2010/04/06/refutation-of-the-protestant-canon-of-scripture-part-2/

Better minds than mine have expositions that give a greater in depth understanding of Scripture.

I don’t believe in reinventing the wheel. If one is too lazy or too intellecutally stunted to examine things, well, then I can do nothing more.

[Cronos]

and there is no biblical basis for your Modal god

[Cronos]

Can't you post a paragraph or even write one yourself instead of linking me to a book???

wow -- one of you says post the details, the other complains of "too many biblical quotes, why not link" -- decide

[Cronos]

quix: Jesse Duplantis’ Heaven visit revealed a visual experience at The Throne

Ah, like these?

God has the power to take life, but He can’t.

He’s got the power to do it, but He won’t. He’s bound; He can’t.

He says, “Death and life is in the power of” who’s tongue? Yours. You ready for this? You want something that’ll knock your lights off?

You choose when you live; you choose when you die. Death and life is in the power of your tongue, not God’s.?

Interesting -- so do you believe God is 'bound' and God can't take life?

[Cronos]

quix: Jesse Duplantis’ Heaven visit revealed a visual experience at The Throne

Ah, and Jesse noted the following new revelation of Jesse about heaven

1. "Some people don't live close to God the way they should. They know Jesus as their Savior, but they could do so much better. In heaven they will eventually be able to go to God’s Throne, but it takes more time for them." -- interesting, even in heaven?

2. "They almost got there; then they stopped, turned around and had to go back. It seemed as if they were depressed. I heard someone say, "There is no depression here. Just eat of the Tree of Life, smell the leaves for healing and let your spirit grow. You shall stand at the Throne of God."" --> interesting, the sanctification process isn't completed in heaven?

3. David tells Jesse "I think I should have allowed more of the answer to come through, instead of the complaining. " --> oh, so Jesse thinks that scripture is NOT inspired, but what David allowed to come through? -- what unbiblical words from hell spoken by the demonic possessed fraud Jesse Duplantis

4. "I didn’t know before how much He needed me to reach out to other people. I have always thought of how much I needed Him, not how much He needs me. . .He smiled at me and said, "I chose you. No one else wanted you, and I need you Jesse." --> ego surfing!

[stfassisi]

Today after morning Mass, the Exposition of the Blessed Sacrament began, which was a wonderful surprise as this particular church has been spiritually dry as a desert. But not today, and I'm on my way!

Exposition of The Blessed Sacrament is the key to bringing back life to The Church.

I can't even imagine what my life would be like without attending at least an hour a week at Adoration. I try adding more when ever it's possible for me to do so

here's a link to find a chapel near you.

I use that link quite frequently because a travel to visit customers for work in different states.

Have you seen this site ?

http://www.savior.org/

[mlizzy]

Or could I go in, sit in a back pew and pray quietly and leave when finished?

Not sure if your St. Mary's has Eucharistic Adoration (where Jesus -- the Host -- is in a Monstrance (not necessarily in the church proper) for the faithful to Adore; check here to find out), but it doesn't matter as Christ (the consecrated Host) is in the Tabernacle (little box behind the altar or to the side), which brings a wonderful peace to the church. Anyway, one does not need to believe in Christ (who would know?) to enter the Catholic Church, and one certainly does not need to be Catholic either.

If the church does not have Adoration, and their doors are locked when not having a Mass, you could attend a daily-Mass in part or in full (they are about 25-30 minutes long; their times are online on the St. Mary's website) and stay afterward to pray too. Anytime the door is open, you're welcome to come on in, and sit wherever you like. I've even attended the wedding and funeral Masses of people I didn't even know. :):)

[Mad Dawg]

I guess for the record or the lurkers or somebody I think I should attempt a response.

First is the myth of the edifice. There is scarcely a uniform 'culture' in the Catholic Church, even in the Latin Rite.

Throughout the history of the Church, even though some Popes may have attempted a strong hegemony, it has not been theirs to have or to keep, not for long and not over a great territory.

Look at Notre Dame or the blessedly now former archbishop of Los Angeles. Neither has shown much regard for the mythical Vatican culture. Notre Dame honors those who support abortion, and LA was a mess. My daughter did not give unspecified gifts to her parish because she didn't want any money going to the diocese, and she's not the hard-core Catholic that I am.

Running the Catholic Church, from a secular POV, must be like trying to handle a fully laden super-tanker under sail in the roaring forties. It must be a welcome relief when things settle down enough to think about trying to set an actual course.

Were you to read the encyclicals of Blessed John Paul or the books of Benedict XVI (maybe especially these) I think you might be surprised that instead of iron-fisted dicta you were reading deep and sometimes lovely meditations on the Gospel and on life in Christ.

And around the world, or much of it, there is a woeful lack of the imposition of a culture. Until the current Bishop of Richmond was 'installed' and the old one put out to pasture, the difference between this diocese and Arlington, immediately to the north, was astonishing.

And even now, a nearby parish holding a 'workshop' on religious orders and their lay 'associates' seemed to mention every order BUT the Dominicans, because of their disagreements with us.

Some on your side seem to profit from the myth of the powerful Vatican. (I jokingly told a pagan friend that RCIA does NOT stand for "Roman Central Intelligence Agency".) When some university or diocese or rogue priest does something that probably causes bulk orders of Tums at the Vatican, then you can say, "See there? They secretly ARE in favor of genocide!"

Then there is the phenomenon of the dirty picture to which I referred in an earlier post: If one fully accepts that the Lordship of Christ and our participation in Him leads to intercessors whose will is so aligned with His and to the phenomenon of remarkably holy and even "great" saints... if one is confident that one's primary and all encompassing loyalty is to the Trinity, then one feels free to indulge in extravagant praise of, say, Anthony of Padua, the "wonder worker."

And among my co-religionists there may be many who lack the ability to articulate clearly the "economy of grace". But verbal facility in expressing one's thoughts about one's relationship with God is not a requirement for justification or sanctification. I am confident that many with a stronger faith and deeper sanctity than I could not defend the idea of the communion of the saints in a way that would stand muster for ten minutes. But it appears that while I have a very small teaching gift, they may have a very large gift of holiness.

Given the opportunity I might whisper to them, "You know, when you call Mary the dispense of Grace, I know what you mean and you know what you mean, but you may confuse some people; Wanna take it back a notch?"

If "Ferrarro is who I think he is and has said what I think I recall, I wince when I read him, because while he was talking, I imagine, to a friendly audience, I know I'm going to be at the end of the parade with my broom inserting all the footnotes and explanations before a skeptical audience.

Okay. You probably won't believe it, but maybe it was my turn to say it anyway.

[mlizzy]

My apologies; I’ll post a paragraph or two next time.

[mlizzy]

Exposition of The Blessed Sacrament is the key to bringing back life to The Church. I can't even imagine what my life would be like without attending at least an hour a week at Adoration. I try adding more when ever it's possible ...

Boy oh boy, you're right about that! More seminarians come from parishes that incorporate Adoration; it's been proven, at least according to my B-I-L, "the priest."

I've gone back and forth with attendance at Adoration due to car issues, health issues, and just plain old sloth, but lately, attendance is on an upswing. :)

(I like how Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration Chapels Everywhere spells out P.E.A.C.E.)

And, yes, I've seen Savior.org. It's really cool.

[Quix]

Of course I know Christ.

The church lists “perpetual”

so I assume that means the doors are open to the chappel 24/7?

Thanks for your info.

[Quix]

I’m sure there are many many thousands for whom you spoke quite accurately.

And, I could go a lot of that distance with you . . . though I don’t think 100%.

But then, you could not go 100% of my distance on probably any topic save MAYBE that the sun is up . . . in our time zones.

[mlizzy]

Of course I know Christ. The church lists “perpetual” so I assume that means the doors are open to the chappel 24/7? Thanks for your info.

I know you know Christ. That was not an insult. :) And yes, perpetual means they are open 24-7, but unless you are an adorer (one who spends a specified hour with Christ a week and has a key or code), chances are the doors for everyone else probably lock at about 10:00 p.m. (maybe 9:00 p.m.), and open up around 7:00 a.m.

The chapel is oftentimes located in another building other than the church proper, and sometimes it's not real obvious as to where that is, so you might want to call first and ask, or maybe it's explained on their site.

[mlizzy]

This is not to say you can’t stay until midnight or whatever time you like. I’ve never been asked to leave once I was “in.” The doors lock usually for safety reasons only, and there’s always an adorer with Jesus ‘round the clock.

[presently no screen name]

However . . . quiet “Christian” places are not overly plentiful.

for me it is....my home.

[D-fendr]

Are you saying you don’t belong to or regularly attend any church? Not asking for the name…

[presently no screen name]

NO! Please keep up - lest you run off with taking things out of context to fit an agenda.

[D-fendr]

Your post makes little sense otherwise, but that shouldn’t surprise...

thanks for your reply.