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To: marbren
. LCMS founder Walther got the Holy Spirit stopped working miracles back in the first century doctrine wrong.

I've got to see a source link where Walther said the Holy Spirit stopped doing miracles. Or where he limited the work of the Holy Spirit in any way. This claim doesn't pass the smell test. While you can make that assertion, something like this requires a proof.

In my daily born again relationship walk with my Lord Jesus Christ, also known as the sanctification process, given that I am born again therefore justified, decisions are made. I can follow my will or decide to die to self and do the Lord's will. If I follow my will I am controlled by the flesh and a slave to sin.

Which makes you no different than any other baptized Christian. Except perhaps that the others may give all the credit to God for the transformation since it IS a gift in the NOW.

sanctification process

Thankfully, you recognize it as a process in this life.

923 posted on 06/12/2011 11:55:55 AM PDT by xone
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To: xone; Quix; Alamo-Girl; Belteshazzar; GiovannaNicoletta; Mad Dawg
I've got to see a source link where Walther said the Holy Spirit stopped doing miracles. Or where he limited the work of the Holy Spirit in any way. This claim doesn't pass the smell test. While you can make that assertion, something like this requires a proof.

xone, I found it in the LCMS RIM Document you posted earlier in the thread. BTW Happy Pentecost everyone!

In a sermon on 1 Corinthians 12:l-11, Synod's first president(note: marbren thinks this is Walther) stated in regard to the gifts of the Spirit: However, we must make a twofold distinction concerning the gifts of apostolic times which the apostle names in our text. He mentions nine gifts. Four of them have now disappeared completely from the Christian Church; the other five are still found among believers, though to a lesser degree. Completely gone are the gifts of healing without the use of medicine, the gift of performing miracles, the gift of speaking foreign languages without previous study and practice, and finally the gift of interpreting those languages which one never learned. That is not the case with the other five gifts mentioned by the apostle, with the gift of speaking by the Spirit of wisdom and knowledge, with the gift of prophesying, that is, explaining Scripture, with the gift of a particularly great, strong, and heroic faith, and finally with the gift of discerning spirits. As we stated, these last gifts the Christians of apostolic times had in a greater degree than the Christians of today; however, these and similar gifts are found even now to a certain degree in the Church.12

925 posted on 06/12/2011 2:00:57 PM PDT by marbren
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