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To: kosta50
Bingo! More "Paulinaity", Mark. The more you dig the more you will find how the whole thing choreographed, ex post facto!

Still, I wonder what the original Paul really had to say.

Of course this indicates that the Church was divided between the Pauline and Petrine camps, and that Christian beliefs were not held "everywhere and always" (i.e. catholic) from the Pentecost, as the official Church claims.

We have spoken several times about the harmonizing efforts of the Church.

Anyway, the rest of it is correct. And who was Origen? First, he was Greek. Second, he is one of the most influential late 2nd century Christian apologetics. In fact he is largely responsible for the "orthodox doctrine" in the early Church. It was him who insisted Mary is the Ever-Virgin Theotokos.

Yet, he was disgraced as a heretic. His canon contained many Gnostic works, which he considered "inspired". His triniatrianism is subordinaitonalist. He taught universal salvation, and the pre-existence of the souls, both of which are officially heretical. In the second half of his life, he embraced Gnosticism.

So, the Church basically cherry-picked a little here and a little there of that what was desirable and rejected the rest.

That is why none of the Church Fathers on their own are considered authoritative. That is the purpose of the Magisterium.

1,284 posted on 06/03/2011 6:37:31 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr
That is the purpose of the Magisterium

Mark, the Eastern Church doesn't have a "Magisterium."

1,287 posted on 06/03/2011 6:59:56 PM PDT by kosta50
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To: MarkBsnr; kosta50
Anyway, the rest of it is correct. And who was Origen? First, he was Greek. Second, he is one of the most influential late 2nd century Christian apologetics. In fact he is largely responsible for the "orthodox doctrine" in the early Church. It was him who insisted Mary is the Ever-Virgin Theotokos.

Yet, he was disgraced as a heretic. His canon contained many Gnostic works, which he considered "inspired". His triniatrianism is subordinaitonalist. He taught universal salvation, and the pre-existence of the souls, both of which are officially heretical. In the second half of his life, he embraced Gnosticism.

The first Unitarian. (We have a very big tent.)

1,298 posted on 06/04/2011 8:53:49 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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