Skeletons in the Catholic Church’s Closet [review of Showtime's "The Borgias"]

Beliefnet ^ | April 8, 2011 | CATHLEEN FALSANI

[Natural Law]

"Papist Bigots"

Some are either too intellectually dishonest, too intellectually lazy, or too intellectually incapable to see the sad irony of a term like that.

[Natural Law]

"I’ll be holding a press conference tomorrow showing my anti-abortion certificate."

Now that you have established your anti-abortion bonifides what are you going to do in the real world about abortion. My questions were not about what one does on FR in protestation, but whether abortion was enough of an issue to influence actions in the community if it wasn't enough of an issue to influence posting behaviors. Some whom they and I consider anti-Catholics actually walk the walk, but sadly most are all lip. Which are you?

[the_conscience]

Those of us that can think our way out of a wet paper bag realize that abortion is just one of many symptoms that points to a deeper ideological problem. Those who have a tunnel vision on curing one of the symptoms miss the disease.

Maybe you could have a real effect if you could get your wimpy bishops to excommunicate evil Romanist politicians.

[vladimir998]

That wet bag has you trapped. Some of your beliefs are part of the disease.

[the_conscience]

Well...thanks for clearing that up.

[WPaCon]

Those of us that can think our way out of a wet paper bag realize that abortion is just one of many symptoms that points to a deeper ideological problem. Those who have a tunnel vision on curing one of the symptoms miss the disease.

Maybe you could have a real effect if you could get your wimpy bishops to excommunicate evil Romanist politicians.

Are you implying that wimpy "Romanist" bishops are the disease? If not, what is this disease? Are you doing anything to fight this disease? Is fighting against abortion not worthwhile because abortion is not the disease?

[count-your-change]

Catholic politicians supported and made sure pro abortion laws passed and here the posters are lecturing everyone else!
They seem to forget that priest/politician Robert Drinan supported every pro abortion law that came before him.
How much responsibility do such Catholics bear for the millions of abortions performed?

[the_conscience]

Are you implying that wimpy "Romanist" bishops are the disease? If not, what is this disease? Are you doing anything to fight this disease? Is fighting against abortion not worthwhile because abortion is not the disease?

a) I'm sure some of them are inflicted with the disease but the point was that their inactions allow the disease to grow.

b) It's a basic misconception on the nature of man. It's a continuation of 19th century Liberalism but goes back to the fall of man. It's those who have power believing they know what's best for individuals and they believe they should engineer who lives and who don't and the actions of those lucky enough to live.

c) I'm writing about it now, besides other things.

d)No, but if you don't understand the causes behind why someone would kill their own baby then you will probably not be successful in curing the disease.

[Natural Law]

"Catholic politicians supported and made sure pro abortion laws passed and here the posters are lecturing everyone else! They seem to forget that priest/politician Robert Drinan supported every pro abortion law that came before him. How much responsibility do such Catholics bear for the millions of abortions performed?"

Can't say you didn't warn us........

"First comes...”No body's perfect”"

"then.....”Everybody was doing it”"

"next.....”You're no better”"

"finally....”Who are you to judge?”"

"capped off with....”You're a bigot... "

[the_conscience]

Yes... marching around an abortion clinic is all well and good but that seems to be more than neutralized by defending those who defend those who enact what is indefensible.

[Natural Law]

"Yes... marching around an abortion clinic is all well and good but that seems to be more than neutralized by defending those who defend those who enact what is indefensible."

You are absolutely right, doing absolutely nothing and spending your time Catholic bashing on FR are sooo much more effective. [sarc]

[vladimir998]

Ouch! That’s gonna leave a mark!

[the_conscience]

spending your time Catholic bashing on FR are sooo much more effective

It may be... but it still takes a ton of grace from God to get through the dullness.

[Alex Murphy]

....it still takes a ton of grace from God to get through the dullness.

That's not dullness - that's thickness. As in "bone density".

[Quix]

EVIDENTLY
DRIVING
THE VATICAN CULT
DAFFYNITIONARY
AND A CARLOAD
OF PAPIST BIGOTS AGAIN!

I'll still take
AGREEING WITH GOD
AND THE UNRUBBERIZED
AUTHENTIC BIBLE!
IT'S INFINITELY SAFER!

[lastchance]

Thanks for your charitable reply.

[count-your-change]

Being an enabler of grave sin is also against Church law but who cares? Has any Catholic politician who supports abortion ever been denied communion? Excommunicated? Ever?

Demonstrations are great street theater.

[Quix]

It was sincere.

And you’re worth it, regardless.

May God have mercy on all who sincerely call Him Lord.

[metmom]

How much responsibility do such Catholics bear for the millions of abortions performed?

Well, certainly all the Catholics I knew who voted dem in spite of the abortion issue because the dems were for the *poor* (their words and rationale).

So, abortion took a back seat to increased welfare handouts, medicare, and medicaid.

[count-your-change]

It sounds like a lot of loud talk but little doing. Whether or not to deny communion to abortion supporters is left to each bishop despite opinion from the Pope that all should.

Every bishop is thus a law unto himself despite Canon law and admonishments from the Vatican.

“So, abortion took a back seat to increased welfare handouts, medicare, and medicaid.”

The back seat in a very long bus!