Skeletons in the Catholic Church’s Closet [review of Showtime's "The Borgias"]

Beliefnet ^ | April 8, 2011 | CATHLEEN FALSANI

[Cronos]

For which one?

Come on, don't you believe that Jesus Christ is God, not a creature, not inferior to God.?

[Cronos]

I try to be “noble minded” so perhaps you will offer some Scriptural support for what you say that I can examine for myself.

Really? for He died for our sins and was resurrected from the dead.? This is directly in the Bible -- Christ died, was buried and rose from the dead. you do believe that, right?

[Skooz]

I'm not Catholic but this notion of holding medieval church behavior under a microscopic from today's falsely felt sense of moral superiority is just wrong and feeds the enemies of Christendom.

Well said. I'm not Catholic, but I understand that an attack on the Catholic Church is an attack on all Christians.

[Cronos]

I try to be “noble minded” so perhaps you will offer some Scriptural support for what you say that I can examine for myself.

I mean to say, it's pretty obvious that Jesus died, was buried and rose from the dead. It's in scripture, in all the Gospels, and repeated in Acts and the Epistles. What proof do you need for this?

[count-your-change]

And was it from “today’s falsely felt sense of moral superiority” that the apostle Paul wrote that adulterers and fornicators and sodomites, etc. would not inherit God's kingdom? That to believe otherwise was to be “misled”? (1 Cor. 5:9-11)
Maybe Paul didn't “get it”.

[count-your-change]

Let the Scriptures speak. In what Scriptures is Christ said to be equal to his heavenly Father,
In what Scriptures is Christ said to be inferior to heavenly his Father?

You say this or that is in the Scriptures, so show me! That’s all I asked and if you cannot, well then, so be it.

That’s called being “noble minded”. (Acts 17:11)

[Cronos]

Ok, so do you believe that Jesus Christ is Lord, God and Savior?

[Cronos]

it's pretty obvious that Jesus died, was buried and rose from the dead. It's in scripture, in all the Gospels, and repeated in Acts and the Epistles. What proof do you need for this?

Do you believe that Jesus Christ rose from the dead?

[Cronos]

In what Scriptures is Christ said to be equal to his heavenly Father,

Sigh... John 10:30 30 I and the Father are one.”, John 5:18 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

Jesus Christ was not a creature, He was not a created being

Do you believe that Jesus Christ was a created being, not God?

[Cronos]

Furthermore, do note that Jesus Christ was not a created being John 1:1–3: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God; all things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made."

Come on, isn't that enough proof for you that He was not a created being?

[Cronos]

According to Scripture, if one is in hell, "he shall be tormented with fire and sulfur . . . the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever, and day and night they have no rest" (Rev. 14:11).

Hell is real. You do believe that, right?

[count-your-change]

In John 10: 30 Jesus says, “I and the Father are one”, “one” in what sense? Jesus explains that it is unity in thought and purpose at John 17:11, he prays that his followers be one with him in same fashion as he is one with “the Father”.

So when at John 10:30 Jesus used the the term “are one” he was speaking of being one in purpose. (John 10:38)

You quote John 5:18, “John 5:18 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.”

But it was Jesus’ ENEMIES that equated calling “God his own father” with “making himself equal with God”.
Just as at John 10:31-39, when Jesus’ enemies wanted to stone him for their false accusations.

I believe what can be clearly demonstrated to be a teaching of the Scriptures. If you assert,

“Jesus Christ was not a creature, He was not a created being”,
Then show me from the Scriptures.

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[count-your-change]

“Hell is real. You do believe that, right?”

“Hell” or the Greek “Hades” is real and I’ve written about it more than once.

But as you wrote:

“According to Scripture, if one is in hell, “he shall be tormented with fire and sulfur . . . the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever, and day and night they have no rest” (Rev. 14:11).”

This verse has nothing to do with hell (hades).

[count-your-change]

Before going further please define who is meant by the first instance of “God” here in John 1:1-3.

And the second.......and the third.

[RnMomof7]

I get to live rent-free inside the heads of so many Catholics.

Yea but ya need to paint and clean up the mess Rome has left there..

[x]

I saw it the first time it was on ...

... back when it was called The Tudors ...