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To: tiki
That is a bogus quote, if they were really the best then they’d have understood that the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Christ our Savior and they couldn’t have been pulled away by a team of horses.

That false doctrine is what holds Catholics in the church.. they think that is the ONLY place they can actually eat Jesus and get holier because of it..

The truth is there is no apostolic succession taught in the NT church.. and no priesthood in the NT church of Christ.. so IF it a real doctrine.. then every ordained pastor actually would have that gift..

69 posted on 04/20/2011 1:18:00 PM PDT by RnMomof7 ( "But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden His face from you,)
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To: RnMomof7

Every ordained pastor does have “that gift.”


75 posted on 04/20/2011 1:20:58 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: RnMomof7
That false doctrine is what holds Catholics in the church

And that true doctrine is what brings Protestants into it.

78 posted on 04/20/2011 1:22:56 PM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: RnMomof7

RnMomof7:

And your opinion proves there was no apostolic succession.

The opinion of St. Clement of Rome, St. Ireneaus of Lyons, St. Cyprian of Carthage, St. Jerome, St. Augustine is against you. I will side with those great theologians whose writings against the heretics of the early Church stand as a witness to legitimate and orthodox Doctrine.

On the question of Apostolic Succession, Prof. JND Kelly [Anglican-Church of England] writes:

“[W]here in practice was [the] apostolic testimony or tradition to be found? . . . The most obvious answer was that the apostles had committed it orally to the Church, where it had been handed down from generation to generation. . . . Unlike the alleged secret tradition of the Gnostics, it was entirely public and open, having been entrusted by the apostles to their successors, and by these in turn to those who followed them, and was visible in the Church for all who cared to look for it” (See Early Christian Doctrines, p. 37).

For the early Fathers, “the identity of the oral tradition with the original revelation is guaranteed by the unbroken succession of bishops in the great sees going back lineally to the apostles. . . . [A]n additional safeguard is supplied by the Holy Spirit, for the message committed was to the Church, and the Church is the home of the Spirit. Indeed, the Church’s bishops are . . . Spirit-endowed men who have been vouchsafed ‘an infallible charism of truth’” (Early Christian Doctrines).

Prof Kelly is considered one of the leading Patristic scholars of the 20th century and his work can be found at Amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/Early-Christian-Doctrines-J-Kelly/dp/006064334X/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1303330939&sr=8-4

So I leave all the readers of this forum to make a decision based on the testimony of the CHurch Fathers and Professor Kelly or RnMomof7 when thinking about your statement “the truth is there is no apostolic succession in the NT church”

tsk, tsk,


84 posted on 04/20/2011 1:34:37 PM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: RnMomof7
they think that is the ONLY place they can actually eat Jesus and get holier because of it..

False.

116 posted on 04/20/2011 2:56:58 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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