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To: brent13a
So where are these percentages coming from? Are they from an exhaustive set, scientific poll or investigation of the whole church......or are those off the top of someone’s head, a good guess-timate?

The John Jay Study (see threads here, here, and outside coverage here) - commissioned by the U.S. Catholic Bishops' National Review Board itself - found that the number of accused Catholic priest abusers equaled four percent of the entire Catholic priest population. The John Jay study's findings are more than conclusive - they're exhaustive of the entire US population of Catholic priests.

But the real scandal was never about the 4% accused of abuse within their ranks. The real scandal was that 66% of bishops covered for the 4%, negatively affecting 95% of the dioceses in the United States - actions which cost the Catholic Church over three billion dollars paid in settlements and awards to the victims.

[Faithful Departed author Philip Lawler] points out that while less than five percent of American priests have been accused of sexual abuse, some two-thirds of our bishops were apparently complicit in cover-ups. The real scandal isn't the sick excesses of a few dozen pedophiles, or even the hundreds of priests who had affairs with teenage boys -- the bulk of abuse cases. No, according to Lawler, it is the malfeasance of wealthy, powerful, and evidently worldly men who fill the thrones -- but not the shoes -- of the apostles. In case after case, we read in their correspondence, in the records of their soulless, bureaucratic responses to victims of psychic torture and spiritual betrayal, these bishops' prime concern was to save the infrastructure, the bricks and mortar and mortgages. Ironically, their lack of a supernatural concern for souls is precisely what cost them so much money in the end.
-- from the thread Kneeling Before the World

"The Dublin Archdiocese's preoccupations in dealing with cases of child sexual abuse, at least until the mid-1990s, were the maintenance of secrecy, the avoidance of scandal, the protection of the reputation of the church and the preservation of its assets," said the report. "All other considerations, including the welfare of children and justice for victims, were subordinated to these priorities. The archdiocese did not implement its own canon law rules and did its best to avoid any application of the law of the state"....
-- from the thread Pope calls Irish church leaders to Vatican to discuss abuse report

Related threads:
The Narcotic of Secrecy (Canon Lawyer Charles Wilson on the Bishops)
Pope's challenge, US bishops' quick response
Kneeling Before the World [Catholic Caucus]
Abuse crisis has shown clerics how deeply victims are hurt, bishop says

19 posted on 04/15/2011 7:14:14 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: Alex Murphy

"Former Belgian bishop Roger Vangheluwe has gone live on TV to talk about how he sexually abused two boys but does not see himself as a paedophile. Emerging from hiding, he revealed he had molested two of his nephews, and not one, as he confessed last year before resigning as bishop of Bruges. 'It had nothing to do with sexuality,' he said, in comments that caused indignation among politicians."

20 posted on 04/15/2011 7:48:30 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Alex Murphy
Phillip Lawler’s book, The Faithful Departed (The Collapse of Boston's Catholic Culture) is certainly worth the reading by Catholic and non-Catholic alike. Lawler is more than qualified to write and speak on his subject.
24 posted on 04/15/2011 9:24:31 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Alex Murphy
commissioned by the U.S. Catholic Bishops' National Review Board itself

In related news the National Association of Police Organizations commissioned a report that states only 0.4-0.9% of all police officers are corrupt.
In more related news the National Education Association commissioned a report that states only 1-2% of all teachers may have leftist viewpoints.

See where I'm going with this?

I'm not trying to go to the extreme here but there are 2 things that happen when it comes to all christian clergy abuse cases:
1. The churches underplay the level of egregiousness
2. Media takes it to the extreme
So what's my point? It's all somewhere in the middle. For instance when I see multiple investigative journalists report that the Church(es) are actively involved in secretly shuffling abusive priests around and keeping them in authoritative positions I have to assume that it's at least partially true. However when I see hardcore apologists severely underplay the whole thing I have to assume that there is more than meets the eye.

Just like the whole 2 party system and all of Washington has become rotten beyond redemption so has the whole of the church.....because just like our US politics it continues to happen, there is no control over it.

What fixes this, I don't know. That's not for me to decide. However just acknowledging the problem and prosecuting a few hasn't fixed anything. The church downplaying the rotten apple core, going after journalists as "secular church-haters" isn't going to get anywhere either.

One would think that after 20+ years of ongoing scandals, and continuing weekly revelations, this would be solved. One would think if it's such a small problem it would be solved quickly and with expediency. But it hasn't, I'm not sure it ever will because this stuff has been going on so long and quelling it has been so unsuccessful.

I wish it was solved and we wouldn't be having this discussion.
25 posted on 04/15/2011 10:14:19 AM PDT by brent13a (You're a Great American! NO you're a Great American! NO NO NO YOU'RE a Great American! Nooo.....WTF?)
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