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To: marshmallow
That "interpretation" of which you seem to not believe, comes directly from Paul, who was commissioned as an Apostle directly by Christ Himself. How much more direct do you want? Is your adherence to tradition so strong that you can't see the Truth when it's directly in front of you?

Furthermore, your assertion that Scripture, which is directly inspired by God, can somehow not trump the traditions of men, who are by their very being fallible creatures, is ludicrous in the extreme and shows your own unthinking adherence to a dogma that is not Biblical.

Furthermore, you insist that Scripture divorced from tradition breeds division within Christendom, yet you do err in your understanding of Scripture. Christendom, by it's very nature, cannot be weakened or fractured due to it's central focus upon Jesus Christ, who is God in the Flesh. The same God who caused Paul to say this in Ephesians;

Eph 4:1-7 KJV - [1] I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, [2] With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; [3] Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. [4] [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; [5] One Lord, one faith, one baptism, [6] One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all. [7] But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
also told James that;
[17] Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. - Jam 1:17 KJV.

For you to insist that Christendom can be fractured and weakened by the actions of mankind is insane and gives a fallen creature much more credit than he's due.

Christendom, composed of those believers who place their trust in Jesus Christ and HIM ALONE, has never weakened. They are the Church that Jesus was talking about when He said;

[16] And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. [17] And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. [18] And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. - Mat 16:16-18 KJV

And while I'm at it, let's remind folks what Christ Himself said about traditions.

[1] Then came together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem. [2] And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault. [3] For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash [their] hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders. [4] And [when they come] from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, [as] the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables. [5] Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands? [6] He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with [their] lips, but their heart is far from me. [7] Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men. [8] For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, [as] the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. [9] And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. [10] For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: [11] But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, [It is] Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; [he shall be free]. [12] And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; [13] Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye. - Mar 7:1-13 KJV

68 posted on 04/14/2011 11:54:45 AM PDT by paladin1_dcs
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To: paladin1_dcs

See post # 64.


69 posted on 04/14/2011 11:56:18 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: paladin1_dcs
That "interpretation" of which you seem to not believe, comes directly from Paul, who was commissioned as an Apostle directly by Christ Himself. How much more direct do you want? Is your adherence to tradition so strong that you can't see the Truth when it's directly in front of you?

No, get it straight.

Paul wrote the words. Just like the evangelists wrote the Gospels.

Interpretation and as a result of that understanding (or lack thereof) always comes from the reader, not the author, when the author is no longer with us.

That's true for any document.

That's why one man reads the US Constitution to mean one thing and another man understands it to mean something different. As a result of this, we have appointed a body of men to rule on what it actually means.

It's the same for Scripture.

And unlike the US Supreme Court, the Church is guided by the Holy Spirit and is infallible in this matter.

71 posted on 04/14/2011 12:04:05 PM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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