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To: Snowbelt Man
Gee - kinda like those dumb fishermen that Jesus surrounded himself with while eschewing the “learned.”

If education was the goal, why are these dunces heaping up the doctorates from diploma mills? That tells me that it matters to them, but that they are willing to lie and cheat in order to be seen with them, without actually having to earn them.

The fruits, you know. They want to be known as having the fruits of their labours, without actually labouring. Scarcely Christian behaviour, wouldn't you say?

Also, like Paul, I “am glad that I speak in tongues more than you all.” I am surprised that with all of the Catholic doctrine that is out there, almost all Catholics that I run in to are very uninformed when it comes to the elementary teachings concerning Christ as set forth in Hebrews 6:1-2 - namely, repentance from dead works, faith towards God, baptisms, the laying on of hands, resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment.

Knowing more than one language is normally very educational in itself. I have friends in central Europe (Switzerland) who know all four official Swiss languages, plus English, plus Hungarian, and some of the older ones have some Russian, Polish or other Slavic languages they can get by in. Very good.

Catholic catechism is poor especially in this country, I grant you that. That is changing even as we speak, and flush the remnants of the Augean stables out of the USCCB, but for the moment, I do not dispute that.

By the way, if you get a good translation, you will realize that Jesus never says born again. Nicodemus says it. Jesus does not. My NAB says:

John 3: 1 1 Now there was a Pharisee named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 2 He came to Jesus at night and said to him, "Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God, for no one can do these signs that you are doing unless God is with him." 3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born 3 from above." 4 Nicodemus said to him, "How can a person once grown old be born again? Surely he cannot reenter his mother's womb and be born again, can he?" 5 Jesus answered, "Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit. 6 What is born of flesh is flesh and what is born of spirit is spirit. 7 Do not be amazed that I told you, 'You must be born from above.'

Jesus says from above and of water and the Spirit. I am glad for your childrens' education, but first we must ask that all Christians actually read Scripture and not rely on their pastors or hearsay in order to guide their beliefs. The KJV is not the best when it comes to accurate translation in many areas.

324 posted on 04/15/2011 4:58:58 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr

I use the original Greek as much as possible when I have questions about translations. Jesus words can be translated several ways born “from above”; born “anew.” Nicodemus’ question makes no sense if Jesus wasn’t saying you must be born again. Whether born from above, born anew or born again - Jesus was telling Nicodemus that a transformative event needs to take place in a person’s life in order to see the Kingdom of God. The bottom line is most evangelicals are much more familiar with the Scriptures than most Catholics - at least in my experience. No matter what you say about the KJV translation - at least it was honest - and once Gutenberg invented the printing press and the Scriptures were put in the hands of the common man, the Reformation was inevitable. People no longer needed priests to tell them what to believe - they could read for themselves.


336 posted on 04/15/2011 7:45:42 PM PDT by Snowbelt Man (ideas have consequences)
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