[AnAmericanMother]

It's hyperbolic, you probably feel it's a bit over the top, but it's still not worship. Even as rhapsodic as Pius XII becomes (he was a very ardent and emotional man - and a very good one too. He saved hundreds of thousands of Jews from the Nazis), note that everything is done by God to and for Mary - God fills her with His gifts, God grants her the privilege of bearing His son.

Mary having free will, she had the power to say "No." By assenting to God's plan, "Be it done unto me according to Thy word," she did put into motion the conquest of sin and death. Had she refused, the Incarnation would not have occurred - at least not then and in that way.

So yes, she is our glory (note: not God's glory nor the "glory of the holy archangels" - a title reserved to Christ) -- she is the human being who facilitated our salvation. So we praise her as the crown of humanity -- her Son, far above her, is both perfect God and perfect man. But she is one of us, and she bore Him.

[CynicalBear]

Pope John Paul II Prays to Mary
Which he prayed publicly on December 8, 2003

Our gaze is directed toward you in great fear, to you do we turn with ever-more insistent faith in these times marked by many uncertainties and fears for the present and future of our planet. Together we lift our confident and sorrowful petition to you, the first fruit of humanity redeemed by Christ, finally freed from the slavery of evil and sin: hear the cry of the pain of victims of war and so many forms of violence that bloody the earth. Clear away the darkness of sorrow and worry, of hate and vengeance. Open up our minds and hearts to faith and forgiveness!” —Pope John Paul II

"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" -1st Timothy 2:5

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

[metmom]

It's hyperbolic, you probably feel it's a bit over the top, but it's still not worship.

That was worship, plain and simple. It's not hyperbole, and it is most certainly over the top.

Anyone could easily have inserted the name of God in wherever the name or Mary was present in that unbelievable display of idolatry and it would still work.

To deny that that is worship displays an alarming degree of denial and delusion.

[presently no screen name]

LOL!! And there we have it folks - the result of the RCC man-made teachings where deception reigns.

And, as usual, all in opposition to God's Word.

He saved hundreds of thousands of Jews from the Nazis

Distorting history like distorting God's Word to suit the catholic agenda is really old. It reeks of liberalism - distorting truth doesn't work on this conservative site.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Mary having free will, she had the power to say "No." By assenting to God's plan, "Be it done unto me according to Thy word," she did put into motion the conquest of sin and death. Had she refused, the Incarnation would not have occurred - at least not then and in that way.

Please pardon my butting in on a thread where I'm not of either party, but I simply don't understand this claim of Catholicism and never will.

On the one hand Mary was absolutely sinless. On the other she was totally free to refuse the annunciation. What would have happened had she theoretically done this? Would she have remained perfect and sinless? Would G-d have had to raise up more immaculately conceived, sinless women (each with free will) until one of them finally assented? Theoretically half of the human race could have wound up "redeemed from sin" ahead of the actual "redemption."

[johngrace]

You got it!! Amen!!