Posted on 04/14/2011 9:21:51 AM PDT by marshmallow
You (collective not personal) modern day Protestants are the ones who belong to an upstart sect that came up with man made innovations that contradicted the constant witness of the faith. Not Catholics not Orthodox.
Even the Reformers would not recognize your disdain for the Virgin Mary and your denial of her role in the economy os Salvation.
Sinless people do not bring false charges against another person, much less the perfect and sinless Son of God.I don't understand the meaning here of "false charge." What did Mary say that was false? What did she accuse (charge?) Jesus of? I'm asking this with reference to my curiosity about equating sinlessness with omniscience. If, as the Bible translation explicitly states, Mary did not understand, how could anyhthing that she said be construed as sinful?
If Mary thought she was without sin, she wouldn’t have called God her savior because she wouldn’t have needed one.
So by calling God her savior when she never sinned, she lied, which is a sin, which means she DID sin and need a savior.
Catholics just don’t think through what they believe.
Who cares what those the Catholic church calls its church fathers may have thought?
Wide is the road and broad is the path that leads to destruction and many there are that find it. Consensus does not make truth.
You seem to reject the Word of Elohimshalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
and follow the religion of man (i.e. church fathers)All created beings need a Messiah for salvation.
It is in YHvH's Word.Repent and seek the face of YHvH.
Learn how to properly divide The Word and, in the meantime, leave it to those who do. Remaining unteachable is not a conservative trait.
We don't have to.
Matthew 23: 34 18 Therefore, behold, I send to you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and pursue from town to town, 35 so that there may come upon you all the righteous blood shed upon earth, from the righteous blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. 36 Amen, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. 37 19 "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how many times I yearned to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her young under her wings, but you were unwilling! 38 Behold, your house will be abandoned, desolate. 39 I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'"
You guys label yourselves with your Pharasiacal opposition to the Church that Jesus created and gave His authority to.
You got it?
Quite adequately.
Matthew 23: 13 7 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites. You lock the kingdom of heaven 8 before human beings. You do not enter yourselves, nor do you allow entrance to those trying to enter.
I BELONG TO JESUS
Matthew 7: 21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, 10 but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?' 23 Then I will declare to them solemnly, 'I never knew you. 11 Depart from me, you evildoers.'
Scripture says that those who reject the Church reject the One who sent them.
Luke 10: 16 Whoever listens to you listens to me. Whoever rejects you rejects me. And whoever rejects me rejects the one who sent me." 17 The seventy (-two) returned rejoicing, and said, "Lord, even the demons are subject to us because of your name."
I believe that you are very vocal about rejecting the Church.
I am a child of The Most High and walk in His blessings daily.
You keep saying that and you keep showing that you aren't. Why the disconnect?
Matthew 7: 15 9 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but underneath are ravenous wolves. 16 By their fruits you will know them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Just so, every good tree bears good fruit, and a rotten tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a rotten tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So by their fruits you will know them.
You are well known on the RF.
Odd. Your posts are full of 1) yourself and 2) how anti Catholic you are.
Mark 8: 34 He summoned the crowd with his disciples and said 8 to them, "Whoever wishes to come after me must deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me. 35 For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake and that of the gospel 9 will save it. 36 What profit is there for one to gain the whole world and forfeit his life? 37 What could one give in exchange for his life? 38 Whoever is ashamed of me and of my words in this faithless and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of when he comes in his Father's glory with the holy angels."
Your posts indicate that you are more attached to handing out crosses than to carrying them. I also notice a singular paucity of Gospel in your prose - whereas we bring the Gospel to the heretic, the apostate, the pagan and the ungrateful. You're welcome.
I am not trying to be flippant here but do you understand the term economy of salvation as opposed to Salvation? Salvation does indeed rest in Christ alone. But Mary certainly played a very important role in the economy of salvation. Which is God’s plan on how Christ would come to save us. He came to us through the womb of the Virgin and became man.
It is not my fault that so many sects, perhaps yours is amongst them, seem to have no trouble just jettisoning the faith of 1500 years for a hodge podge of beliefs made to appeal to those who can not be bothered to examine what has been believed by the majority of Christians since the age of the Apostles. In that you are the Liberals.
So you are saying conservatives should bent and change with the times? Change their values with the times? How is that a conservative trait?
"LOL!! I'll let others laugh at that propaganda from the left!"
I was wondering what your reaction would be; truth be told, I essentially took what you said about Catholicism and changed it to protestantism to see your reaction to your own words.
Come now, let us not play dumb.
I used the term Protestant because that is the term widely used to describe those who follow Reformed Christianity and its offshoots. It does not describe a specific denomination. I will not address you as Child of The Most High as really that is a bit long. Not sure if you are saying you don’t belong to any sect. Would Reformed believer suit you?
Ah history, readily available for all yet rarely given much thought.
Sure. From the folks who know how to do it, not the theological descendants of Simon Magus. Jesus gave the authority to the Church, not to every man who wanted to set up his own belief system. Paul was not kind to those who believed or taught another gospel.
Galatians 1: 6 5 6 I am amazed that you are so quickly forsaking the one who called you by (the) grace (of Christ) for a different gospel 7 (not that there is another). But there are some who are disturbing you and wish to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach (to you) a gospel other than the one that we preached to you, let that one be accursed! 7 9 As we have said before, and now I say again, if anyone preaches to you a gospel other than the one that you received, let that one be accursed!
Doesn't bode well for the children of the Reformation, does it? The ultimate end of the Reformation was the destruction of Christianity. We Christians are keeping it together (with His authority) and bringing the Gospel to the whole world - and Jesus will be with us always.
Matthew 28: 18 11 Then Jesus approached and said to them, "All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Go, therefore, 12 and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. 13 And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age."
Jesus does not say that He will be with any Tom, Dick or Calvin that pulls his beliefs out of his navel each morning.
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