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To: D-fendr; MayflowerMadam; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...

If you’re going to quote Scripture, you might want to try for the most accurate translation instead of one that adds words to it. The word *actual* is not in I Corinthians 10:16.

Here’s the Greek.

http://biblos.com/1_corinthians/10-16.htm

Here’s a link to a better understanding of the term *koinónia*, which more properly means fellowship.

http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/2842.htm

In addition, Peter stated in Acts that he had never eaten anything unclean (Acts 10), therefore since the eating of blood made one unclean, it would not have been done by an observant Jew, especially at or just before the Passover.

The Council of Jerusalem (Acts 15) also reiterated the command of Scripture to not eat blood. They made no exception to that decision, nor did they make any point about settling the matter in regard to communion.

If they had, they should have and would have clearly distinguished that exception. They did not.

The Catholic teaching that one has to eat and drink the literal, actual flesh and blood of Jesus has no Scriptural support.

But that never stopped Catholicism for making a doctrine out of something it wished to do.


1,591 posted on 04/18/2011 10:00:41 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

It is supported in scripture in a great many places as the link shows. You have not even answered all of the few posted.

Peter participated when Christ instituted the Holy Eucharist. Of course we know the teaching on what makes us clean and unclean.

The true meaning of Christ’s words is again proven by those disciples who left him when he reiterated it to them. They left because His meaning was clear - and they thought as you do.

It is a difficult teaching. Christ gave those who remained yet another chance to leave after hearing it. But Peter and the Apostles stayed.

And the rest is the history of the Holy Eucharist in the Church until this day.


1,593 posted on 04/18/2011 10:12:25 AM PDT by D-fendr
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To: metmom

No scriptural support except Jesus’ own words....


1,600 posted on 04/18/2011 10:33:23 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: metmom
Great Scriptural rebuttal to the superstitious lie of transubstantiation.

If you’re going to quote Scripture, you might want to try for the most accurate translation instead of one that adds words to it. The word *actual* is not in I Corinthians 10:16.

Rome just makes things up.

What better way to enslave the masses than to insist Rome alone has the mojo to literally transform bread and wine into salvation?

Rome threatens men and women. Christ freed them.

"When celebrating the Lord's Supper, we shall indeed worship Him as present, but with minds upraised to heaven," -- John Calvin, "True Method of Reforming the Church" Tracts III:281

We receive Christ with our mind; we worship Christ with our mind; we understand salvation with our mind, fully aware Christ remains seated in heaven and not stirred into the wheat and grapes.

Rome distorts Christianity into something temporal and pagan.

"All who forsake the word of God fall into idolatry." - Calvin, John I:160.

1,611 posted on 04/18/2011 11:04:38 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: metmom
Koinonia is the anglicisation of a Greek word (κοινωνία) that means communion by intimate participation. "Actual participation" is another way to say it. From this use comes the word communion used in the wider sense within the Christian Church to participate in the state Communion. Also as in the Communion of Saints. To dumb it down to fellowship only reduces the Church to a club. And Paul's writing in other places congruent with the Gospel writers, using identical phrases, show that "fellowship" is not at all what Jesus instituted with The Holy Eucharist.
1,615 posted on 04/18/2011 11:28:49 AM PDT by D-fendr
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