Apparitions Exposed!

Proclaiming the Gospel ^ | former Director for a "Mary, Queen of Peace Center."

[roamer_1]

Just as most of us come out of school with very little idea about the world between 300 and 1500, so most of us get a deformed view of intellectual history. It's not just on FR that the default position on Catholicism is a tad negative.

While I admit that I am beyond my normal range running all the way up into the 1500's (the Venerable Bede is new, trendy stuff for me), and while my interest in the Roman church was tangential (until I met your fellows here), I did not obtain my knowledge from school. I study in manuscripts, songs, and lore of the very ancient past.

Because of that line of interest, which is paralleled by an extensive anthropological bend (particular to religions and their prophets, I suppose, but fairly well rounded beside that) I am decidedly Old Skool, and am imbued with a double dose of the prerequisite distaste for historical revisionism. Hence I will always allot credence toward those authors of the first person, and thereafter to a lessening degree depending upon the breadth of time the author must stand astride, away from the original incident. Those early authors do not seldom agree with the modern works, regardless of the field... and as I said, where there is disagreement, my inclination must go to those nearest the subject at hand.

That will, no doubt, make me invincibly ignorant to those who prefer to run to their prophets with itching ears - and if so, all the better.

So forgive me FRiend, if your recommended author (who seems to be a Roman-church fanboi) has no impact upon me at all, though I will give him a shot.

[metmom]

I heard that Catholics believe that the wine and bread actually beome flesh and blood when eaten at communion, when it’s actually just symbolic.

That's correct. It's called transubstantiation.

They tend to ignore Jesus comments that the words He spoke to His followers about eating His flesh were Spirit and life.

John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.

[metmom]

John 6:58-59 This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like the bread the fathers ate and died. Whoever feeds on this bread will live forever." Jesus said these things in the synagogue, as he taught at Capernaum. ?

Well, it must not be very effective as I see Catholic funerals all the time. Matter of fact, I don't know a Catholic who hasn't died.

Care to provide examples of Catholics who have taken communion who have lived forever? They must look pretty old by now.

[presently no screen name]

The consumption of blood is strictly forbidden by God in Scripture

And if God forbids it, we can rest assured that the Vatican/RCC will do it and they do.

Catholics claim that eating His flesh and drinking His blood is required for salvation and yet not one Catholic is ever sure that they are going to make it to heaven.

They claim it because their hierarchy says it does but at least the catholics have doubts - shows they are thinking - and maybe realized the have swallowed the bait of deception. Eat my flesh/drink my blood - shows how the Word is true once again because it is spiritually discerned and only HIS OWN understand it. They don't know who Jesus is and what He means.

"The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned".

I'd like them to prove there is blood in a spiritual body - after all, they are told they are drinking it and they believe it.

[papertyger]

Oh, we don’t ignore “spirit and life.”

We just know it doesn’t mean “a convenient excuse to disobey.”

[papertyger]

Sorry, if you don’t believe what Jesus said, you really don’t have much basis to discuss Christian doctrine, practice, and faith....

[Quix]

Well put.

[papertyger]

You are more than welcome to “follow him no more” if his saying are too hard for you.

Oh, that’s right....

[papertyger]

Funny how so many that “understand” go to different Churches....

[Quix]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

LOL.

[Notwithstanding]

STOP!

Please use the proper term: they are sect members.

They literally have “cut” (”-sect” or “sect-”) themselves off from the tree of life that is the Church established by Jesus and entrusted to His Apostles, to whom He gave the absolute power to bind and loose (which, duh, means that have the power to pass that power on to others - Apostolic Succession).

[Notwithstanding]

Luther supposedly didn’t want to have sects on top of sects, but of course never-ending sects is the inevitable culmination of his apostate heresies.

Luther = the genesis of never-ending sects

[Notwithstanding]

Well put.

[Quix]

[presently no screen name]

You don’t welcome me to do anything. I’m saved - I KNOW the Truth. God’s Word is The Final Authority.

Imagine that - a catholic filled with man made deceptive teachings speaking about God’s Word.

God made it EASY - salvation is a GIFT. Satan says no - you must work for it.

Its fun to watch pride in action. Catholics cleaning up their sins with filthy rags. More RomanCatholicComedy.

[Quix]

Yer always a Scholar and a Gentleman in my book.

LUB BRO.

[Notwithstanding]

Presently no sect name: you're welcome!

[Quix]

Very clever and creative.

Congrats.

I don’t think you need the DAFFYNITIONARY, however.

[Quix]

Well done.

[presently no screen name]

Being good doesn’t get a person to Heaven.

Exactly! And that's the biggest lie from the pit.

According to 'whose standards' are they good? Their own - more pride.