Joseph Smith Is Tarred and Feathered [LDS lesson in children's class ages 8-11]

To: Tread EZ; restornu

You pinged it and it is a symptom of intellectual or rhetorical weakness.

Golly!

We sure can't have THAT; can we!

So hear ya go, an LDS ping list for your very own use: compliments of RESTORNU!!

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Hey Retsy!

You may want to purge your list of those MORMONs who have managed to get the Martydom Merit Badge Award

381 posted on 04/03/2011 8:47:15 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

My thesis is that these anti-mormon threads are unAmerican, and by extension, un-FR.

Well; you have a TITLE for your thesus; now...

How about filling in the rationale for it.

382 posted on 04/03/2011 8:49:24 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

really as a convert in 1982 before the internet I was able to find all those things and more and when I encounter them I would take it to the Lord on my knees in humble prayer to understand.

Yup...

It WOULD take GOD to unravel the mess that is MORMONism!

383 posted on 04/03/2011 8:51:42 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

The sweet gentle spirit of the Lord will not exist where there is contention.

MAybe - maybe not; but the Avenging Angel of GOD's Wrath is watching the CONTENTION that MORMONism brings, and is waiting for the time to finally be revealed.

384 posted on 04/03/2011 8:53:37 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

Just to let you know FR has sided with the antis against the LDS!

Awww...

Just because Jim doesn't like FALSE DOCTRINE being pushed on HIS web site; doesn't mean he's against YOU; Sweetie pie!

385 posted on 04/03/2011 8:55:14 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

The LDS beleieves there is more for the children of the Lord should be aware of and let them make up their own minds.

HA ha!

Is THIS why headquarters has announced for NO MORE QUESTIONS! to fly it's direction?

386 posted on 04/03/2011 8:57:16 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

The LDS beleieves there is more for the children of the Lord should be aware of and let them make up their own minds.

Why; that's what ol' Wilford said - back in the day!

You have to judge for yourselves. I want you to answer it for yourselves. I shall not answer it...

OFFICIAL DECLARATION—1

To Whom It May Concern:

Press dispatches having been sent for political purposes, from Salt Lake City, which have been widely published, to the effect that the Utah Commission, in their recent report to the Secretary of the Interior, allege that plural marriages are still being solemnized and that forty or more such marriages have been contracted in Utah since last June or during the past year, also that in public discourses the leaders of the Church have taught, encouraged and urged the continuance of the practice of polygamy—

I, therefore, as President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, do hereby, in the most solemn manner, declare that these charges are false. We are not teaching polygamy or plural marriage, nor permitting any person to enter into its practice, and I deny that either forty or any other number of plural marriages have during that period been solemnized in our Temples or in any other place in the Territory.

One case has been reported, in which the parties allege that the marriage was performed in the Endowment House, in Salt Lake City, in the Spring of 1889, but I have not been able to learn who performed the ceremony; whatever was done in this matter was without my knowledge. In consequence of this alleged occurrence the Endowment House was, by my instructions, taken down without delay.

Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriages, which laws have been pronounced constitutional by the court of last resort, I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws, and to use my influence with the members of the Church over which I preside to have them do likewise.

There is nothing in my teachings to the Church or in those of my associates, during the time specified, which can be reasonably construed to inculcate or encourage polygamy; and when any Elder of the Church has used language which appeared to convey any such teaching, he has been promptly reproved. And I now publicly declare that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land.

WILFORD WOODRUFF
President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

President Lorenzo Snow offered the following:

“I move that, recognizing Wilford Woodruff as the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and the only man on the earth at the present time who holds the keys of the sealing ordinances, we consider him fully authorized by virtue of his position to issue the Manifesto which has been read in our hearing, and which is dated September 24th, 1890, and that as a Church in General Conference assembled, we accept his declaration concerning plural marriages as authoritative and binding.”

The vote to sustain the foregoing motion was unanimous.

Salt Lake City, Utah, October 6, 1890.

EXCERPTS FROM THREE ADDRESSES BY
PRESIDENT WILFORD WOODRUFF
REGARDING THE MANIFESTO

The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the programme. It is not in the mind of God. If I were to attempt that, the Lord would remove me out of my place, and so He will any other man who attempts to lead the children of men astray from the oracles of God and from their duty. (Sixty-first Semiannual General Conference of the Church, Monday, October 6, 1890, Salt Lake City, Utah. Reported in Deseret Evening News, October 11, 1890, p. 2.)

It matters not who lives or who dies, or who is called to lead this Church, they have got to lead it by the inspiration of Almighty God. If they do not do it that way, they cannot do it at all. . . .

I have had some revelations of late, and very important ones to me, and I will tell you what the Lord has said to me. Let me bring your minds to what is termed the manifesto. . . .

The Lord has told me to ask the Latter-day Saints a question, and He also told me that if they would listen to what I said to them and answer the question put to them, by the Spirit and power of God, they would all answer alike, and they would all believe alike with regard to this matter.

The question is this: Which is the wisest course for the Latter-day Saints to pursue—to continue to attempt to practice plural marriage, with the laws of the nation against it and the opposition of sixty millions of people, and at the cost of the confiscation and loss of all the Temples, and the stopping of all the ordinances therein, both for the living and the dead, and the imprisonment of the First Presidency and Twelve and the heads of families in the Church, and the confiscation of personal property of the people (all of which of themselves would stop the practice); or, after doing and suffering what we have through our adherence to this principle to cease the practice and submit to the law, and through doing so leave the Prophets, Apostles and fathers at home, so that they can instruct the people and attend to the duties of the Church, and also leave the Temples in the hands of the Saints, so that they can attend to the ordinances of the Gospel, both for the living and the dead?

The Lord showed me by vision and revelation exactly what would take place if we did not stop this practice. If we had not stopped it, you would have had no use for . . . any of the men in this temple at Logan; for all ordinances would be stopped throughout the land of Zion. Confusion would reign throughout Israel, and many men would be made prisoners. This trouble would have come upon the whole Church, and we should have been compelled to stop the practice. Now, the question is, whether it should be stopped in this manner, or in the way the Lord has manifested to us, and leave our Prophets and Apostles and fathers free men, and the temples in the hands of the people, so that the dead may be redeemed. A large number has already been delivered from the prison house in the spirit world by this people, and shall the work go on or stop? This is the question I lay before the Latter-day Saints. You have to judge for yourselves. I want you to answer it for yourselves. I shall not answer it; but I say to you that that is exactly the condition we as a people would have been in had we not taken the course we have.

. . . I saw exactly what would come to pass if there was not something done. I have had this spirit upon me for a long time. But I want to say this: I should have let all the temples go out of our hands; I should have gone to prison myself, and let every other man go there, had not the God of heaven commanded me to do what I did do; and when the hour came that I was commanded to do that, it was all clear to me. I went before the Lord, and I wrote what the Lord told me to write. . . .

I leave this with you, for you to contemplate and consider. The Lord is at work with us.

(Cache Stake Conference, Logan, Utah, Sunday, November 1, 1891. Reported in Deseret Weekly, November 14, 1891.)

Now I will tell you what was manifested to me and what the Son of God performed in this thing. . . . All these things would have come to pass, as God Almighty lives, had not that Manifesto been given. Therefore, the Son of God felt disposed to have that thing presented to the Church and to the world for purposes in his own mind. The Lord had decreed the establishment of Zion. He had decreed the finishing of this temple. He had decreed that the salvation of the living and the dead should be given in these valleys of the mountains. And Almighty God decreed that the Devil should not thwart it. If you can understand that, that is a key to it.

(From a discourse at the sixth session of the dedication of the Salt Lake Temple, April 1893. Typescript of Dedicatory Services, Archives, Church Historical Department, Salt Lake City, Utah.)

What kind of 'Leadership' is THIS???

compared to...

Hebrews 11:35-40
35. Others were tortured and refused to be released, so that they might gain a better resurrection.
36. Some faced jeers and flogging, while still others were chained and put in prison.
37. They were stoned ; they were sawed in two; they were put to death by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated--
38. the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, and in caves and holes in the ground.

or compared to...

Acts 4:19. But Peter and John replied, "Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God's sight to obey you rather than God.

So much for an 'Everlasting Covenant' that thundered out of Heaven!!!

Well; it DID last about 47 years!

Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriage...

I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws..."

~ Wilford Woodruff, 4th LDS President

387 posted on 04/03/2011 9:07:19 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

Yep it applies to the Tradition of men doctirne perfectly!

Well; let's balance that with some DOCTRINE of men!

"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.

Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'

August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."
"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."
"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)

1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."

We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.

Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.
The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."
(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).

When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."

When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."
(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)

388 posted on 04/03/2011 9:11:05 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

When one grows in the ways of the Lord, Jesus Christ they learn the differents...

And; when one 'grows' in MORMONism; he(she) gets THIS command:

The

DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS

OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS

SECTION 71

Revelation given to Joseph Smith the Prophet and Sidney Rigdon, at Hiram, Ohio, December 1, 1831. HC 1: 238–239. The Prophet had continued to translate the Bible with Sidney Rigdon as his scribe until this revelation was received, at which time it was temporarily laid aside so as to enable them to fulfill the instruction given herein. The brethren were to go forth to preach in order to allay the unfriendly feelings that had developed against the Church as a result of the publication of some newspaper articles by Ezra Booth, who had apostatized.

1–4, Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon are sent forth to proclaim the gospel; 5–11, Enemies of the saints shall be confounded.

1 Behold, thus saith the Lord unto you my servants Joseph Smith, Jun., and Sidney Rigdon, that the time has verily come that it is necessary and expedient in me that you should open your mouths in proclaiming my gospel, the things of the kingdom, expounding the mysteries thereof out of the scriptures, according to that portion of Spirit and power which shall be given unto you, even as I will.

2 Verily I say unto you, proclaim unto the world in the regions round about, and in the church also, for the space of a season, even until it shall be made known unto you.

3 Verily this is a mission for a season, which I give unto you.

4 Wherefore, labor ye in my vineyard. Call upon the inhabitants of the earth, and bear record, and prepare the way for the commandments and revelations which are to come.

5 Now, behold this is wisdom; whoso readeth, let him understand and receive also;

6 For unto him that receiveth it shall be given more abundantly, even power.

7 Wherefore, confound your enemies; call upon them to meet you both in public and in private; and inasmuch as ye are faithful their shame shall be made manifest.

8 Wherefore, let them bring forth their strong reasons against the Lord.

9 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you—there is no weapon that is formed against you shall prosper;

10 And if any man lift his voice against you he shall be confounded in mine own due time.

11 Wherefore, keep my commandments; they are true and faithful. Even so. Amen.

389 posted on 04/03/2011 9:13:48 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

I pray that many will soon want to be more like Jesus!

Your MORMON 'jesus'?

The one who CANNOT forgive the SIN of MURDER??

Thanks; but no thanks anyway.

390 posted on 04/03/2011 9:16:17 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

Why you really are not interested...

And yet YOUR mindreading capabilities are undiminished!

391 posted on 04/03/2011 9:17:32 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

Did you logon with the ‘Sign of the Nail’?

392 posted on 04/03/2011 9:18:39 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.

So MANY of JS' proclamations have NOT come to pass, but TBM's are BRAINDEAD and STILL give him a pass.

Strange or DEMONIC?>

393 posted on 04/03/2011 9:20:29 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

From the Desk of TM:

Attention FreeRepublic Anti-ANTI Team:

An error occured in the last memo, as it was supposed to read:

...call them nasties...
not...
...call them NAZIs...

Hopefully no problems occured this weekend because of a Headquarter's foul up.

Keep up the good work on FR. We've been getting HUNDREDS of hitS on our websites by those evidently seeking the truth.

Watch next month's ENSIGN for the new membership figures; due, no doubt, to the tireless work by you faithful typists!

Sincerely (continue using THAT word),
Thomas Monson,
Business Executive

394 posted on 04/03/2011 9:29:35 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

11 We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.

Then can you explain just WHY 50,000 folks are sent out DAILY to try to convince those folks you are ALLOWING to worship THEIR way; that THEIR WAY is WRONG?

395 posted on 04/03/2011 9:34:05 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

To: Paragon Defender

Dang!

I’ve read the wrong thread FIRST, today!

396 posted on 04/03/2011 9:35:12 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

What an individual thinks and says is not the doctrine and like all need to be reminded to put away the natural man if they choose to walk with the Lord.

Unless it's Brigham Young... REMEMBER??!!

He said that ANYTHING he preached could be taken as GOSPEL!

Are you now fostering a SPIRIT of APOSTACY?

397 posted on 04/03/2011 9:37:19 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

No one has called in the Maggot Team to clean out the wound?

399 posted on 04/03/2011 9:40:09 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

Reason is only one element to faith not the end all and if one will not take the time to learn the langauge of the Holy Spirit they will always be limited to their awareness.

And if an individual will NOT use reason at all; then they are open to being led by whatever FEELING comes along.

Example:

A 'reasonable' person would conclude, from the lack of ANY evidence at ALL of ANY Book of MORMON animals, cities, artifacts, wheels, weapons, writings, buildings... what?

400 posted on 04/03/2011 9:44:46 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

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