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To: marshmallow

Instead of trading insults, why not deal with the real issue - Gnosticism.

The Gnostics had the belief that the world was created by a demiurge, the creator God of the Old Testament was not the true Father of Jesus, a different God the Father was. Moreover, the creation he created, with all its institutions like marriage, for instance, was bad also. One should distance himself from the “flesh” or the “world” created by the evil demiurge.

Early church fathers like Irenaeus wrote against all this, and there was a separation between the “orthodox” and the heretics. The trouble is, many of the basics of Gnosticism was carried over into the so called “orthodox,” or Catholic. Thus we see all these celibate monks out in the desert. That same Gnostic celibacy was ultimately ensconsed int the RCC, and has been there ever since.

The RCC celibate tradition is extrabiblical, Gnostic in origin, and does not belong in a truly Apostolic institution. It is absolutely atrocious what has been imposed upon these poor priests and nuns. It is no mystery as to why the RCC is frought with sexual moral failure. It’s Gnostic celibacy is what should be attacked, not these people who are victims of it.


66 posted on 04/03/2011 1:08:29 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: sasportas

The desert monks were 1) not gnostics and 2) were imitating some of the Hebrew prophets, the Essenes, and John the Baptist—and, yes, Our Lord. He was a gnostic? He certainly lived a celibate life, living to early middle-age unmarried.


71 posted on 04/03/2011 1:56:47 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: sasportas

Uh, did you forget about Paul? In the “Bible”, Paul had a lot to say about marriage and celibacy, didn’t he? I know I read it!

This idea of celibacy didn’t originate w/ Gnosticism. The Apostle Paul said something about it being better to marry than to “burn”. However, he said it was better to remain unmarried to be free to serve God more easily. You can look that up in “New Testament”, it is definitely there! I can’t remember exact book, page, or chapter.

He remained celibate himself (for all that we know)most or all his life. Furthermore, he encouraged those who were virgins or widowed to be celibate too; and several did. They did it by their own choice!


77 posted on 04/03/2011 3:06:23 PM PDT by dsutah
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