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Catholic Sex Abuse Hearing Descends Into `Shut Up' Order and Charge of 'Abomination'
Courthouse News Service ^ | March 25, 2011 | Reuben Kramer

Posted on 03/26/2011 12:59:03 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg

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To: Quix

I went to public school all the way


401 posted on 03/27/2011 10:44:24 AM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: HossB86; Dr. Eckleburg; metmom

“Thanks for being truthful.”

Always try to be.

“Roman Catholics seem to spend so much time trying to explain how the only “prayer” that occurs is to God.”

I’m no expert, but I’ve heard different explanations. What is important is that we worship no one but God.

As an aside, not everyone agrees that Michael Archangel isn’t God.


402 posted on 03/27/2011 10:47:20 AM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: Religion Moderator

Those biases are completely understandable.

“Finally, Free Republic is pro-God meaning pro-Judeo/Christian God.”

To be more specific, I think it is pro-Protestant opinion of God.


403 posted on 03/27/2011 10:50:54 AM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: MarkBsnr

I see.

If it’s public knowledge on fr, what is his wife’s freeper name?


404 posted on 03/27/2011 10:54:01 AM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: lastchance

Thank you


405 posted on 03/27/2011 10:54:32 AM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: presently no screen name

I guess when conservatives complain about media bias, they are really being liberal crybabies attempting to intimidate and control.


406 posted on 03/27/2011 11:16:27 AM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: WPaCon
I guess when conservatives complain about media bias, they are really being liberal crybabies attempting to intimidate and control.

Is FR the liberal media?
407 posted on 03/27/2011 11:20:03 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: WPaCon; Dr. Eckleburg
“Rome wants men who prefer the company of other men to women and children.”

Can you give any proof of this? Are there any papal documents outlining why homosexuals are preferred in the “priescraft”?

Don't be silly. While I believe Dr. Eckleburg overstates the case it is true that the results speak for themself.

Perhaps the "system" attracts an unusually high number of homosexuals. Whatever the case may be the Roman Catholic Clergy is populated by an inordinately high percentage of homosexuals when compared with other religous clergy.

Do you have any proof that the case is not as I described? Silly question and one which is impossible to answer as is your request of "proof".)

408 posted on 03/27/2011 11:20:49 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: presently no screen name

No, and that in no way invalidates my point.


409 posted on 03/27/2011 11:28:58 AM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: OLD REGGIE
Perhaps the "system" attracts an unusually high number of homosexuals. Whatever the case may be the Roman Catholic Clergy is populated by an inordinately high percentage of homosexuals when compared with other religous clergy.

I don't know if that's true, but that's not what I'm arguing over.

I'm arguing over whether "Rome" actually prefers having homosexual to heterosexual priests.

410 posted on 03/27/2011 11:31:14 AM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: Puddleglum; Dr. Eckleburg
From the article the conflict stems from the possibility that one of the defense attorneys attended the same seminary at the same time the alleged abuse was taking place.

Well, suppose I went to college at the same time someone in the administration was taking bribes - and later I was a lawyer in the case one way or another but had never crossed paths with the perps. I just went to the same school they worked at. What would it matter? But you see, they must be saying he is a witness, so they need to lay their evidence on the table or shut up. Otherwise it's our old friend guilt by association.

Do you have any idea how many seminarians attended at this time. I admit I have no idea but I believe it is a reasonable assumption that it was a very small number. Small enough, in fact, that the seminarians knew each other.

Further, your analogy is rediculous - apples to oranges.

411 posted on 03/27/2011 11:51:35 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: WPaCon
Both.

Then why are Protestants being castigated for Catholic bias?

Is it *Do as I say* time again?

412 posted on 03/27/2011 11:52:36 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: WPaCon; HossB86; metmom; RnMomof7; OLD REGGIE; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; wmfights; HarleyD; ...
not everyone agrees that Michael Archangel isn’t God.

A lot of negatives there but let's try to sort it out.

"Not everyone agrees that Michael Archangel isn't God." Which means some people believe Michael Archangel to be God.

I know the Greeks give Michael a place of prominence but I've never read they believe him to be God.

Do you believe the Archangel Michael is God?

413 posted on 03/27/2011 11:53:45 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: WPaCon; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ...
That's just explained by the fact that there are more Catholics than anyone else, and the fact that the bias is tolerated.

Prove it. Let's see the numbers.

414 posted on 03/27/2011 11:55:20 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: WPaCon; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ...
That's just explained by the fact that there are more Catholics than anyone else, and the fact that the bias is tolerated.

Prove it. Let's see the numbers.

415 posted on 03/27/2011 11:56:15 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: WPaCon; metmom; Dr. Eckleburg

***Let’s just say I’ve seen many questionable decisions in the past***

LOL! You’ve been a member for how long?!?


416 posted on 03/27/2011 12:04:42 PM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: MarkBsnr

I don’t mean to be critical of you, not my intention. I just love history and most people get the Disney thumbnail version.

Sources you requested:

1) The Synod of Melfi under Pope Urban II in 1089

“Wives and concubines were liable to be seized as slaves by the overlord, while the children were relegated to the category of servile rank, debarred from sacred orders, and declared incapable of exercising hereditary rights, because saepe solet similis filius esse patri.”

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/lateran2.html

2) Corpus Iuris Canonici, promulgated by Pope Gregory IX which remained official law of the Church until 1913

Steven Epstein, Wage Labour & Guilds in Mediaeval Europe (1995), page 226

Here is another reference:

In 1488, Pope Innocent VIII accepted the gift of 100 slaves from Ferdinand II of Aragon, and distributed those slaves to his cardinals and the Roman nobility.

Luis M. Bermejo, S.J. (1992). Infallibility on Trial. Christian Classics, Inc.. p. 315. ISBN 0-87061-190-9.


417 posted on 03/27/2011 12:06:07 PM PDT by WaterBoard
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To: metmom

There is a bias in favor of Protestants and Calvinists.


418 posted on 03/27/2011 12:08:29 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: HossB86; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ...
Luke 11

1Now Jesus was praying in a certain place, and when he finished, one of his disciples said to him, "Lord, teach us to pray, as John taught his disciples." 2And he said to them, "When you pray, say:

"Father, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come. 3 Give us each day our daily bread, 4and forgive us our sins, for we ourselves forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation."

5And he said to them, "Which of you who has a friend will go to him at midnight and say to him, 'Friend, lend me three loaves, 6for a friend of mine has arrived on a journey, and I have nothing to set before him'; 7and he will answer from within, 'Do not bother me; the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed. I cannot get up and give you anything'? 8I tell you, though he will not get up and give him anything because he is his friend, yet because of his impudence he will rise and give him whatever he needs.

9And I tell you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened. 11What father among you, if his son asks for a fish, will instead of a fish give him a serpent; 12or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? 13If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!"

That's odd. I don't see any instruction from Jesus to canonize saints, make statues, light candles, bow down to or knee in front of, and pray to anyone. No instruction on praying to ANYONE but God the Father.

God knows what we need. Will He not give it to us if we ask?

What ever possesses anyone to think that praying to someone besides God will grant them their request?

If God is not going to answer someone's prayers to Him, He's not going to grant the request if someone else asks.

And even if some saint or angel had been authorized to answer prayer, not one of them is going to do it contrary to God's will.

419 posted on 03/27/2011 12:09:50 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Puddleglum; OLD REGGIE; RnMomof7; metmom; HossB86; editor-surveyor; Gamecock; Dr. Scarpetta

The defense attorney should have disclosed the fact that he attended the same seminary at the same time as the alleged abuse took place because he personally may have known the victims and the accused and thus may have pertinent information about the case which could cause him to be called as a witness.

That’s what the judge is saying and it’s not a difficult concept to grasp. But once again we hear from RC apologists that everyone is wrong but Rome.

The most absurd part of this entire article is that the idiotic defense of “anti-Catholic bias” must be coded into the DNA of RCs at birth since we hear it every day from Free Republic all the way to Philadelphia.

Maybe it’s part of the regenerative baptism mojo. Regardless, it’s a common whine from bullies who lack a sound defense for their faith...and their clients.


420 posted on 03/27/2011 12:11:56 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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