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To: verdugo
Big problem for the trads.

They've been telling anyone who would listen that JPII was a modernist who inflicted untold damage on the Church. They certainly don't regard him as a man of great sanctity. Ditto for all the Popes since Pius XII. Pius X was a saint.......absoutely.........but not JPII. He can't be mentioned in the same breath. How can the post-Vatican II church produce good fruit? It's completely rotten, surely? Therefore, his beatification and likely subsequent canonization poses a problem.

Either admit that you're wrong in your assessment of him or cast doubt on the process of his beatification.

A no brainer.

Admission of error is a vanishingly rare thing in the trad world, where haranguing the Pope and criticizing his every move is a lifestyle and spiritual pride is endemic.

No..........we're right......the process must be flawed.

19 posted on 03/24/2011 10:24:01 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: marshmallow
re:Big problem with the trads

Your whole writing is one big strawman:

1) They've been telling anyone who would listen that JPII was a modernist who inflicted untold damage on the Church.

Has the Church not suffered unheard of damage in the last 50 years?

2) How can the post-Vatican II church produce good fruit? It's completely rotten, surely?

Where is the good fruit of Vatican II? Show me.

3) Therefore, his beatification and likely subsequent canonization poses a problem

He's not canonized. Beatifications are not infallible. Charlemagne is a Blessed in France, along with many others like him in every country, and there they have remained through the centuries.

Your whole writing is a strawman and devoid of any reasoning. Typical "feelings oriented types" hollow response.

95% of Catholics in Catholic countries of Europe do not even go to mass. In Brazil, the largest Catholic country in the world, it's over 93%, and the priesthood is known as a homosexual occupation.

23 posted on 03/24/2011 10:57:36 AM PDT by verdugo ("You can't lie, even to save the World")
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