okay, Jesus taught people to pray and the church has lost the way...it is not a bunch of talking to God...sorry.
More of Fabian donning his Supreme Court of Religions robes...
Here come de judge...here come de judge...
I listen to Roy and agree with him in parts and disagree with him in parts.
He does teach that going to church is unnecessary, and says Jesus didn’t intend for people to go to church, but obviously He did, He instructed St. Paul to set up churches to reach the gentiles and St. Paul talks in his books about the structure and practice of the church, and the qualifications to be a deacon, etc.
The books of the Bible that Paul wrote were, in fact, letters to the various churches Paul had set up, and Paul references the churches that Peter set up, so obviously Peter was doing Jesus’ will in setting up churches, as well...
As far as sin goes, Roy says Christians don’t sin, I don’t think that is Biblical. “I would have you not sin, but nevertheless, if we DO sin, we have an advocate in Christ Jesus.” Roy says he is not perfect, but is becoming perfect. I don’t have a problem with that, Jesus said “Be ye therefore perfect, as your Father in Heaven is perfect,” there’s no conflict in that.
As far as the meditation goes, it’s not hypnotic, it’s anti-hypnotic, if you do it the right way. It just lets you become aware of how lost in your thoughts and emotions you are. To me, that is a good thing.
I don’t think the meditation saves your soul, that is obviously the work of the shed blood and sacrifice of Jesus Christ. We’re saved through belief in Him, because our righteousness is as dirty rags, as God said.
Neither does works save us, “lest man may boast.” No matter how perfect Roy or any other man on Earth becomes, that won’t bring him salvation...it’s the shed blood of the Lamb of God, just like it was the shed blood of a lamb over the doorway that spared the Hebrews from the angel of death in the OT.
I heard Roy say that the moment he falls to temptation and gets angry,and sins, then he’s lost, he won’t go to Heaven. That, to me, is the wrong belief. It’s not the perfect control of sin and reaction that saves us, it’s Jesus. Paul said “I preach Jesus, and Him crucified,” not “I preach self-control, and not falling to temptation.”
Obviously we are required to not fall to temptation, and Paul talks in great detail about putting off the old man, the lower nature, and casting off all that is unnecessary, striving for the path of salvation, but it isn’t, in my opinion, our perfect adherence to that that saves us or condemns us, but it always comes down to recognizing we’ve sinned, and throwing ourselves on the mercy of Jesus to ask forgiveness.
Ed
“okay, Jesus taught people to pray and the church has lost the way...it is not a bunch of talking to God...sorry.”
Ok, I’ll bite. How did Jesus teach people to pray that wasn’t “a bunch of talking to God”?