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To: conservativegramma

First, your exclamation that you don’t understand is unremarkable if you don’t want to understand. And since you neither understand nor want to understand, your arguments are bound to miss. This explains the misconstruction of the array of quotes from various “official” sources about the Eucharist. The key is before you, but you don’t want to use it.

Why would you want to understand? So that you could argue effectively, why else?

As to me and my understanding: I was trained in a Calvinist leaning Episcopal seminary back in the ‘70’s before the Episcopal Church went right off the rails. I won’t claim understanding, but I will claim to have made every effort to understand the view I no longer hold.

And where that led me was to the opinion that the ecclesiology of Protestantism was too weak to be true. While your side claims to adhere to scripture alone, it does not, in my view, have an adequate account for the disagreements among those who make that claim.

In other words, as I read Paul, not all of us are called to be teachers. But your side seems to say that all are. You say you have no magisterium but the very names of your denominations say (or imply) otherwise.


315 posted on 03/23/2011 8:48:25 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg
First, your exclamation that you don’t understand is unremarkable if you don’t want to understand.

Its called sarcasm.

And where that led me was to the opinion that the ecclesiology of Protestantism was too weak to be true.

Yeah and I could give you testimonies from a variety of ex-priests, nuns, etc. who came to the opinion that the ecclesiology of Catholicism is too weak to be true. Furthermore, I could also provide testimonies of many people who preferred to follow the teachings of men rather than the Word of God and have departed the faith into many different and various cultic groups. It still gets back to who is your final authority which you pretty much answered 'isn't' God or His Word.

So all your statement proves is that unregenerate man is easily deceived and easily led astray when the Scriptures are discarded, or reduced to secondary status.

You say you have no magisterium but the very names of your denominations say (or imply) otherwise.

And that would be incorrect. The only magisterium any bible believing churches adhere to are the Scriptures. Once they are discarded, rendered secondary, any magisterium can take their place. So who exactly is the magisterium for the independent, or break away from Rome Catholic churches? Churches like Anglo-Lutheran Catholic Church; Antiochian Catholic Church in America; Catholic Charismatic Church of Candada; Corpus Christi Communion; Evangelical Catholic Church; The Evangelical Old Catholic Communion; Free Church of Antioch; Independent Sacramental Movement; Liberal Catholic Church; Mariavite Church; or even The United Catholic Church in Cheshire CT (an outgrowth of The Old Catholic Church which broke away from Rome in 1870 over the declaration of the infallibility of the Pope); and so on.....too many to list. The Roman Catholic Church is UNITED? Better research that one again. You are no more united than any of the Protestant denominations are. I would maintain the Protestant denominations are actually more united as the Scriptures are the final authority for them rather than a group of fallible men.

322 posted on 03/23/2011 10:20:35 AM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: Mad Dawg; conservativegramma
The key is before you, but you don’t want to use it.

Mind reading, MD?
335 posted on 03/23/2011 2:18:46 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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