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To: conservativegramma

>> she prompts the faithful to come to her son, to his sacrifice and to the love of the Father.... <<

You claim we hold her as a god. And to support this, you cite a passage which plainly states her role is to bring people to the Son and to the Father. That’s pretty funny.

>> she is the subject of preaching and worship she prompts <<

You’re dealing with an historic, translated document. Please look up the real meaning (not the colloquial, American meaning) of the word SUBJECT, as opposed to OBJECT. I’m not terribly familiar with the source, but it’s obvious she is not who is being ultimately worshipped, since her purpose is to bring people to CHRIST.

As for Saint Louis de Montfort, I can confirm he is a saint, so he is CERTAINLY not regarded as a heretic. In fact, I know him to be quite influential. But not being familiar with his thinking, I’m in no situation to deal with proof-texting him.

But why are we proof-texting St. Louis de Montfort? Does he establish doctrine? Does he speak as the church? Even when I go to the home page of that web site, I see pictures of Jesus being crucified, Jesus in the garden in His agony, Jesus beThe normative mode of Catholic worship is the mass. And the Latin mass scarcely mentions the Blessed Virgin Mary. I’m not saying that’s a good thing; I’ve recently started attending a rite which uses an even more ancient liturgy, the Greek Melchite Church of Lebanon, and Mary is fair deal MORE prevalent in that liturgy.


202 posted on 03/22/2011 12:26:00 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus; conservativegramma; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
>> she prompts the faithful to come to her son, to his sacrifice and to the love of the Father.... <<

dangus: You claim we hold her as a god. And to support this, you cite a passage which plainly states her role is to bring people to the Son and to the Father. That’s pretty funny.

What's so funny about that? That's attributing the work of God the Son to Mary. That is making her part of God then.

If Catholics don't hold her as God, then why do they keep attributing to her the characteristics of God?

John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."

John 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

John 16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.

203 posted on 03/22/2011 1:10:16 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: dangus
You claim we hold her as a god.

No claim to it - fact. You SAY you don't - but your ACTIONS proclaim loud and clear that you do.

See Post #225

226 posted on 03/22/2011 7:03:31 PM PDT by conservativegramma
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