Thank you for your reply, but that really was not my question...What I am asking is the Jews who believed in Jesus as the Promised Messiah of Israel before the Christ was introduced to the Gentile nations....
The Temple still considered all the Disciples of Jesus Jews so dod the Pharisees and every Jew in Israel remained a Jew when they believed Jesus was the risen Messiah...
My question is when did that stop?
When in time did the Rabbi’s say..We are now going to enact a law that says you are only a Jew if your mother is a Jew and if you deny Jesus is the risen Messiah of the world?
TaraP, Jesus was never recognized as a Messiah by Jews, that’s just revisionism.
Those Jews who essentially became apostates, and splintered off were never accepted within the Temple.
The answer to your question is both in the destruction of the Second Temple, and the formalization of Judaism under the oral tradition of The Talmud. With the creation of a diaspora, there was a need to form a consensus between Rabbinical thought. That said, the issue of the Messiahs arrival was never a grey area. There were many fake messiahs in Jewish history but they were easily exposed as shams.
I indicated this in a previous post. Though I can’t what year- It was when Christianity started converting pagans to Christianity. THey no longer were Jews entering the fold. Once that happened and they rejected the obligation of Jewish law, they were done.