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To: pgyanke

You are contradicting yourself and trying to have it both ways. You previously stated, “...Those are the works of a Christian and they are part of our salvation.” Now, you are saying, “We do not labor to achieve salvation....”

So which is it? Is salvation a free gift of grace which is obtained through faith as Ephesians 2 teaches, or is there an additional requirement of human effort on top of Christ’s atonement?


127 posted on 03/09/2011 10:15:47 AM PST by Turtlepower
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To: Turtlepower
You are contradicting yourself and trying to have it both ways.

No, I'm not. Salvation is God's free gift. However, it is a process God is working through us, not a single event. We are still sinners in need of forgiveness and it is ongoing as we live our lives.

Protestants like to tell us that we need to say the "sinner's prayer" and then we are "regenerated" into a new creation and it's "once saved, always saved." If a man should fail, well... he was never really regenerated to begin with. I say that Protestantism is contradicting itself with this view... is it a free gift? If so... why are some not truly gifted?

Rather, Christ didn't command us to say a "sinner's prayer"... He commanded us to baptize in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit to make men sons and daughters of God. As sons and daughters, God is raising us up to know Him through the works He accomplishes through us. Refusing to cooperate with God is rejecting the salvation He gives.

132 posted on 03/09/2011 10:31:07 AM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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