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To: RobRoy
Does God want His people to turn to Him out of fear that they will be tortured otherwise? Where is the love in that?

Straw dog argument. Let's not fall for that.

All humanity is condemned, but there will be a Judgment and those found to be righteous and justified have salvation. We don't place our faith in Christ when we fear Him, rather fear (, not hate,) is the opposite of love, and it is the natural reaction in our perspective when we are not in fellowship with perfect righteousness and justice.

When we sin, i.e. when we miss the mark of His Plan, our perspective of Him is not in fellowship with Him, but instead one of expectation of fiery indignation. If for no other reason we realize the fallen angels were judged and condemned with less provision than what He has given in His perfect Sacrifice for us, so it's perfectly reasonable to anticipate fiery indignation for our sin.

The difference in that perspective and the Christian walk is that Christ has already paid the price for ALL sin.

No human being is going to be sent to eternal torment for their personal sins. Christ already settled that issue on the Cross. If He hadn't there would be no certainty or hope of eternal salvation.

Instead, He provides for our sanctification and in order to provide that, we must be in fellowship with Him. So when we sin, we re-enter into that fellowship by turning back to Him, confessing our sin to Him, (which BTW He already knew about from eternity past) and He is sure and just to forgive us that sin.

Judgment is different than forgiveness. The Cross was all about judgment. That is why we are able to be forgiven on a moment's notice today by a just and righteous God who always does the right thing in a right way.

Judgment is going to come to determine the eternal destiny of those whom He has created. Those predestined as the elect will escape the Great White Throne Judgment, but will face the bema seat for rewards.

I've considered the philosophy of hell as a parable, but its usage in Scripture is definitely locative and is spiritually perceived and described from perceptions using physical descriptions.

It really doesn't matter if one doesn't believe it exists, because when it is perceived, the people perceiving it will be unable to avoid it and it has been perceived and described as an eternal lake of fire.

22 posted on 03/06/2011 1:59:34 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr
"rather fear (, not hate,) is the opposite of love,"

I believe indifference is the opostive of love.

28 posted on 03/06/2011 3:07:32 AM PST by circlecity
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To: Cvengr

A lot of people have a hard time with hell, which exists in eternity, partly because they do not realize what eternity. Nobody really does. The only way I can wrap my mind about it is by juxtaposing it with the reality we all currently occupy thusly: Time is a current flowing in an ocean called eternity.

The core of the whole thing to me is that I believe that the opposite of eternal life is eternal death. That is, once you are dead, you STAY dead. The body dies in this reality. All that is left is the spirit. If one does not accept the saving grace of the atoning blood of Christ, then their spirit does not go to eternal life, but death. That is my perspective, but whenever I state an opinion on this I am mindful of the scripture that says that now we see as through a glass dimly, but then clearly.

One thing’s for sure though: I don’t do the “turn or burn” message and do not think it is scriptural. Rather, I go for “Turn or die - permanently.” Which may explain why some people CHOOSE death. Which is also something I believe.


41 posted on 03/06/2011 5:05:02 AM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Cvengr

‘when we sin, we re-enter into that fellowship by turning back to Him, confessing our sin to Him’


101 posted on 03/06/2011 8:50:54 PM PST by OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
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