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To: OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian

Help me out here. You’re saying God created men, knowing beforehand that they were/are going to hell? Not being sarcastic, I just want to know.


21 posted on 03/06/2011 1:43:10 AM PST by PeteePie (Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people - Proverbs 14:34)
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To: PeteePie

God created man (Adam,..and the second Adam, Christ) and imputes life to every human soul. Nobody can remove that life from the soul except God Himself.

The argument of Him predestining those who reject Him to Hell, is known as double predestination, and IMHO advocated by Beza after Calvin passed away and IMHO is not Scriptural.

Scripture is clear, though, that the decision to move unbelievers out from His presence isn’t merely limited to His immediate locality, but a very locative place we call Hell, and it isn’t simply to relocate them, but punishment is associated with the judgment and a qualifying description of that location and judgment.


26 posted on 03/06/2011 2:36:53 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: PeteePie

Essentially, yes. Read all of Romans 9.

God has a purpose for every life he creates. Sometimes that purpose is to be used (as Pharaoh was) to demonstrate God’s mercy to others (Israelites.)

It is important to note, however, that hell is eternal death rather than eternal torture and pain.


63 posted on 03/06/2011 9:15:58 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: PeteePie

Essentially, yes. Read all of Romans 9.

God has a purpose for every life he creates. Sometimes that purpose is to be used (as Pharaoh was) to demonstrate God’s mercy to others (Israelites.)

It is important to note, however, that hell is eternal death rather than eternal torture and pain.


64 posted on 03/06/2011 9:16:12 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: PeteePie

Yes. That is calvinism and that is christian belief


100 posted on 03/06/2011 8:46:49 PM PST by OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
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