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To: Cvengr

If you reject limited atonement, then total depravity will be rejected by you, Unconditional election is then a lie in the eyes of a person rejecting TULIP. There is no in-between path, it is either Geneva or the errors of Rome.


128 posted on 03/07/2011 6:46:44 AM PST by OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
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To: OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
If you reject limited atonement, then total depravity will be rejected by you...

Go back and review the meaning of total depravity. We are all condemned prior to being reborn. None of us are reborn with a regenerated human spirit until we accept faith in Him. Yes, every man prior to being reborn is totally depraved, requiring a regenerated human spirit, which is only possible by an act of God, not by anything we can do. This is totally consistent with the doctrine of substitutionary unlimited atonement.

134 posted on 03/07/2011 10:30:41 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
If you reject limited atonement, then total depravity will be rejected by you...

Go back and review the meaning of total depravity. We are all condemned prior to being reborn. None of us are reborn with a regenerated human spirit until we accept faith in Him.

Yes, every man prior to being reborn is totally depraved, requiring a regenerated human spirit, which is only possible by an act of God, not by anything we can do. This is totally consistent with the doctrine of substitutionary unlimited atonement.

135 posted on 03/07/2011 10:31:45 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
There is no in-between path, it is either Geneva or the errors of Rome.

There is that narrow path which some from Geneva and some from Rome have been able to follow, as well as a large number of other believers.

The proof is in the pudding. I always want to chuckle a little bit when somebody attempts to argue salvation and regeneration of the human spirit with a believer relying upon theological arguments and ignoring the reality of the Christian way of life.

It's spiritual walk. It's very real. It is a different perception than the physical or the soulish intellect. His Word is the only source I have found which accurately describes it with veracity. It also provides guidance on how we are able to continue to walk with Him, and how we come to understand a sense of destiny through Him. One of the greatest discoveries is how to live as He has planned for our individual and collective lives as members of His body.

136 posted on 03/07/2011 10:41:25 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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