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To: G Larry; The Ignorant Fisherman

As much as I find the idea appealing that the Lord will return and take believers out before the trials of Daniel’s 70th week and especially before Antichrist is revealed (since this begins a more widespread and unholy reign of terror and persecution against believers), I find that the passages referenced say the opposite.

It is clear that the return of Christ for the church coincides with the onset of a time referred to here as “the day of the Lord” or the “day of Christ”. It is also clear that this day does not arrive until AFTER the apostasy and the revealing of Antichrist in the middle of Daniel’s 70th week. This is the main point of II Thessalonians 2.

While I welcome being corrected either now by the Word of God or later when the Lord returns, I believe it will unfortunately be a tragic correction of those expecting His return to provide for their escape from tribulation, and as such this error will lead many to despair when they find it does not happen as they have been incorrectly taught.


31 posted on 02/28/2011 7:21:10 PM PST by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: unlearner

there are strong arguments for BOTH thoughts on when the rapture wil take place- your ‘day of the Lord’ has been argued convincingly BOTH ways-

Bottom line is, the faithful will either have to endure harships never before imagined, and will be mostl likely strengthened by the Lord during htis time, or we will be taken before the hardships take place- God has said He will provide for htose who are saved during the tribulation, and there’s no reason to think He won’t provide for those who were already saved before the tribulation as well IF we indeeed must undergo a short period


35 posted on 02/28/2011 7:28:06 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: unlearner
My friend...this is the great divide today among evangelicals...

Good attitude...I agree. Christ is what it is all about

But.... He is coming to take His church(His body) first.. (the rapture) It's all about restoring Israel in the seven year tribulation to be ready for the 1000 year reign of Messiah (Christ) when he returns (Zech 12-14, Isa. 11).

God's Two Witnesses (Rev. 11:3-16) will take over for the Body of Christ.

46 posted on 03/01/2011 4:27:07 AM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: unlearner

” I believe it will unfortunately be a tragic correction of those expecting His return to provide for their escape from tribulation, and as such this error will lead many to despair when they find it does not happen as they have been incorrectly taught.”

Amen. The despair and consequent loss of faith will be the fruit of the error.


49 posted on 03/01/2011 5:46:32 AM PST by OpusatFR
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To: unlearner

Unlearner, you come across as a teachable, or at least open kind of guy. I’m back in law school after spring break, but in between times, I’d love to share with you on this subject I find most fascinating and relevant. As I think you or someone else pointed out, it is not central to our faith but is relevant as we grow in grace and the knowledge of the Lord Jesus.


143 posted on 03/06/2011 2:19:03 PM PST by Jim W N
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To: unlearner

No matter what the adversity, the solution is through faith in Christ.


144 posted on 03/06/2011 2:27:26 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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