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Classical Protestant Resurgence: how the PCA got its mojo back
The Aquila Report ^ | 24 May 2010 | Chris Hutchinson

Posted on 02/17/2011 6:14:50 PM PST by Gamecock

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To: anniegetyourgun; MrPiper

Marxism has always been hostile to religion.


81 posted on 02/17/2011 7:56:55 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Celtic Cross
Mr. Piper, we are praying for you. :)

Thanks!! I can use all the help I can get :)

82 posted on 02/17/2011 7:58:05 PM PST by MrPiper (<i>)
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To: arrogantsob
Get it straight. People voluntarily giving money is not being fleeced.

Depends on who's holding the gun,, the church or a gang getting protection money......

83 posted on 02/17/2011 7:59:55 PM PST by MrPiper (<i>)
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To: MrPiper

Many of us recognize the huge difference in the lives of those who attend church and those who do not. The lives of the former are better in almost every measurable way while the latter are at risk to every form of social pathology that exists.


84 posted on 02/17/2011 8:00:37 PM PST by arrogantsob
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To: MrPiper

Have to quit and go to bed,, FYI,,, churches are way better at distributing money to the needy than the government. You folks keep up the good work,,, good night.


85 posted on 02/17/2011 8:03:20 PM PST by MrPiper (<i>)
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To: MrPiper

You should care, Mr. Piper, faithful churches are a great asset to this nation. Crummy churches are a great detriment.


86 posted on 02/17/2011 8:05:55 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Persevero
faithful churches are a great asset to this nation.

agreed,,, good nite......

87 posted on 02/17/2011 8:08:15 PM PST by MrPiper (<i>)
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To: MrPiper

“. . .the church has one purpose, to fleece its members of $$$”

I suppose you may think Jesus made a mistake, then, in loving His church and dying for her?

“Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her.”
Ephesians 5:24-26


88 posted on 02/17/2011 8:10:32 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: MrPiper

So those for whom church is not a waste of time are just delusional? How about those to whom it brings peace of mind and comfort? Doesn’t matter because YOU don’t approve?

No wonder you think church is a waste of time, you are asking it to do something it isn’t intended to do. Churches cannot prove things of faith. That is why it is called “faith” and not “logic” or “reason”. It is something entirely different.


89 posted on 02/17/2011 8:11:05 PM PST by arrogantsob
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To: Gamecock

At our annual meeting the books are open for all, even non-members, to see. All income and outgo are accounted for.


90 posted on 02/17/2011 8:11:40 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Gamecock
"A church that is faithful to the Gospel is growing, and you don’t care?"

I care a lot that the Catholic Church is growing with numbers that surpass all other churches combined. Too bad, according to the latest report by the National Council of Churches the Presbyterian churches are shrinking at an alarming rate:

1. The Catholic Church, 68,115,001 members, up 1.49 percent.

2. Southern Baptist Convention,16,228,438 members, down 0.24percent.

3. The United Methodist Church, 7,853,987 members, down 0.98 percent.

4. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 5,974,041 members, up 1.71 percent.

5. The Church of God in Christ, 5,499,875 members, no membership updates reported.

6. National Baptist Convention, U.S.A., Inc, 5,000,000 members, no membership updates reported.

7. Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, 4,633,887 members, down1.62 percent.

8. National Baptist Convention of America, Inc., 3,500,000 members, no membership updates reported.

9. Assemblies of God (ranked 10 last year), 2,899,702 members, up 1.27 percent.

10. Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) 1(ranked 9 last year), 2,844,952 members, down 3.28 percent.

11. African Methodist Episcopal Church, 2,500,000 members, no membership updates reported.

11. National Missionary Baptist Convention of America, 2,500,000 members, no membership updates reported.

11. Progressive National Baptist Convention, Inc. 2,500,000 members, no membership updates reported.

14. The Lutheran Church-- Missouri Synod (LCMS), 2,337,349 members, down 1.92 percent.

15. The Episcopal Church, 2,057,292 members, down 2.81 percent.

16. Churches of Christ, 1,639,495 members, no membership updates reported.

17. Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America, 1,500,000 members, no membership updates reported.

17. Pentecostal Assemblies of the World, Inc., 1,500,000 members, no membership updates reported.

19. The African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church, 1,400,000 members, members, no membership updates reported.

20. American Baptist Churches in the U.S.A., 1,331,127 members, down 2.00 percent.

21. Baptist Bible Fellowship International (ranked 22 last year), 1,200,000 members, no membership updates reported.

22. Jehovah’s Witnesses (ranked 23 last year) 1,114,009members, up 2.00 percent.

23. United Church of Christ (ranked 22 last year), 1,111,691 members, down 2.93 percent.

24. Church of God (Cleveland, Tennessee), (ranked 25 last year), 1,072,169 members, up 1.76 percent.

25. Christian Churches and Churches of Christ (ranked 24 last year), 1,071,616 members, no membership updates reported.

91 posted on 02/17/2011 8:23:58 PM PST by Natural Law (As a Catholic I know I am held to a higher standard (but it's worth it).)
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To: Celtic Cross

“How does this believe in predestination tie in evangelizing? I mean, if some people were chosen at the beginning of time to go to heaven, and some are chosen to go to hell, what does it matter whether they’re even Christian or not if their already chosen? If they’re already predestined, what need is there for them to be religious? “

Just as we believe that believers’ salvation is predestined,

“For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.”
(Romans 8:29-31)

we also believe we can’t know who those people are beforehand,

“The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but those things which are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.” (Deuteronomy 29:29)

and we believe we are supposed to preach the gospel to all.

“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” (Mathew 28:19-20)

We see no contradiction.


92 posted on 02/17/2011 8:25:00 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Gamecock
"Salvation is a free gift."

Its the Biblical comic books that they charge for....

93 posted on 02/17/2011 8:27:18 PM PST by Natural Law (As a Catholic I know I am held to a higher standard (but it's worth it).)
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To: Natural Law; Gamecock
Its the Biblical comic books that they charge for....

I hear kids can get a free copy of "Being Friends, Being Safe" at their local parish, but the coloring book cost the Catholic Church over three billion dollars to produce!

94 posted on 02/17/2011 8:57:44 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: Alex Murphy
"coloring book cost the Catholic Church over three billion dollars to produce!"

Sure it did and I'll bet you could have corroborated that if you were allowed to cite one of "those" sites.

95 posted on 02/17/2011 9:21:51 PM PST by Natural Law (As a Catholic I know I am held to a higher standard (but it's worth it).)
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To: Gamecock

this is wonderful news


96 posted on 02/17/2011 10:02:09 PM PST by OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
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To: Alex Murphy

Great! Mr.P goes to bed and another disrupter takes his place.


97 posted on 02/17/2011 10:06:48 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: MrPiper

You are talking about Churches that are not Presbyterian. I was an Adventist and yes, there are places that want to make more money out of you, like the money-making channel TBN, but that is not true of the PCA


98 posted on 02/17/2011 10:12:54 PM PST by OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
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To: hinckley buzzard; Gamecock
Friend of mine was a PCA member some years ago. The church came to him with his "suggested" contribution for the year. He asked when was it the church began to charge members for their membership. The rep told him: "This is a business."

-- That is outrageous
99 posted on 02/17/2011 10:14:01 PM PST by OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
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To: WestSylvanian

The Orthodox Presbyterian Church has more focus on worshipping Our Lord and spreading His Word through preaching. The PCA belongs to the World Fellowship of Churches while we belong to the stricter conference of reformed Churches


100 posted on 02/17/2011 10:18:42 PM PST by OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
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