The Pandemic of End-Times Dysfunction (E.D.)

The Gary DeMar Show ^ | Nov 12, 2009 | Joel McDurmon

[Quix]

". . . wasn't in existence until the mid 1800s."

WE have repeatedly DOCUMENTED

the UTTER FALSEHOOD of that assertion.

Now what was that term for repeatedly posting falsehoods . . . pretending it's the Christian thing to do?

[CynicalBear]

You forgot that Nero was the Anti Christ who Jesus came down and destroyed. Oh, wait, Nero committed suicide.

[Quix]

BTW, it would be wise to read up on a topic before pontificating so stridently on it.

Retention of youth in the Christian values of their parents depends overwhelmingly on

WHETHER OR NOT

1. The parents LIVED OUT THOSE VALUES GENUINELY, AUTHENTICALLY before their children AND in their RELATIONSHIPS with those children vs going to church for business appearances or as extrinsic "Christians."

2. I haven't seen stats to affirm this as I don't think the question's been asked the last 40 years . . . however, earlier research of all the research studies up to that time, leaves me convinced that WHETHER THE CHILDREN FELT LOVED or not, would also contribute significantly to whether their kids retained the parents' values, or not.

WHETHER OR NOT THE PARENTS WERE DISPYS OR NOT--WOULD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT--EXCEPT AS IT WAS CORRELATED WITH THE ABOVE TWO FACTORS.

If it is correlated at all with the above 2 factors, I suspect it would be a weak to moderately week correlation.

I've known wonderful and horrid parents who were on both sides of Dispensationalism.

I do think it's far easier to make a convincing case for God in one's life WHEN a parent's theology lived out in front of children includes routine miracles in daily life as is common in authenticly Christian Pentecostal homes.

[TruthConquers]

EXCELLENT and top notch post, Quix!!

Maranatha!!!!

[Quix]

[Quix]

I’m all for iron sharpening iron.

I’ve never found UNBiblical, absurd slug slime ideas very good for that.

[Quix]

Thanks for your kind reply.

I don’t see you on the

END TIMS/ DREAMS/ VISIONS/ PROPHECY PING LIST.

Happy to add you, if you wish.

Sometimes there can be a lot of pings, sometimes none for days.

[Quix]

Perhaps you'd be so kind as to help us know which of the following words are difficult for REPLACEMENTARIANS et al to understand:

150BC - 70AD Rapture Mentioned in the Dead Sea Scrolls

"A Newly Discovered Dead Sea Scroll Has Revealed Who Will be Left Behind When the Rapture Comes a Leading Scholar Reports" from the journalist David Augustine. (Jack van Impe Ministries, June 16, 2005)

In this article Dr. William Harold, professor of Canon Law, at the Theological Seminary of Essex, GB wrote:

"Without doubt, this is the most important discovery in the history of Biblical archeology. The scroll, written in Aramaic, the language spoken in the Holy Land during Jesus time on earth, was found in a cave on the shores of the Dead Sea by geologists conducting a survey for the Israeli government."

The scrolls read:

"The Rapture will occur suddenly. And countless thousands will vanish from the earth. Swept up to heaven to live with Jesus and escape the torment of the Tribulation, the others will be left behind." — The Dead Sea Scrolls

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BTW, IIRC, the scrolls are now available online for those who seek to check the scroll documents out.

Or perhaps the math is difficult.

The timeline for the above scroll . . . would be considered by all Dispys to be

considerably earlier than Darby et al.

I didn't realize that REPLACEMENTARIAN et al mathematicians are using the Vatican Alice In Wonderland School Of Theology, Reality Mangling, Chronic Professional Blaming, Wailing and Whining Cult's rubberized math texts.

[Quix]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I guess that would be the reason
SCRIPTURE
[God's Word for those in Rio Linda]

uses such
STARKLY DIFFERENT LABELS AND DESCRIPTIONS
FOR THE TWO DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT EVENTS!

[topcat54]

A statement of Irenaeus own words is interpretation?

Yes it is. I know you find that hard to believe, as dedicated you are to your traditionalist theory as you are. But the fact is that Ireneaus' words are open to interpretation. That is according to men who do not have an axe to grind.

I asked that you would read the scholarship that Gentry presents in this matter, including a careful look at the original language. I did that with the hope that you might actually exhibit an open mind in this matter. I still have that hope, but it fades a bit more each time you go into insistence mode and harp on your traditionalism.

When you read and understand what Gentry has provided in pages 45-67 of Before Jerusalem Fell then we can talk about it intelligently. I'm not going to spend my time listening to you insist on your tradition, effectively equating the words of Irenaeus with those of the apostles.

[Quix]

!HALLELUJAH!
!HALLELUJAH!
!HALLELUJAH!

[Quix]

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[Quix]

This item trumps the

REPLACEMENTARIAN et al's blindness on such issues:

hands down . . .

in the dark . . .

easily:

Perhaps you'd be so kind as to help us know which of the following words are difficult for REPLACEMENTARIANS et al to understand:

150BC - 70AD Rapture Mentioned in the Dead Sea Scrolls

"A Newly Discovered Dead Sea Scroll Has Revealed Who Will be Left Behind When the Rapture Comes a Leading Scholar Reports" from the journalist David Augustine. (Jack van Impe Ministries, June 16, 2005)

In this article Dr. William Harold, professor of Canon Law, at the Theological Seminary of Essex, GB wrote:

"Without doubt, this is the most important discovery in the history of Biblical archeology. The scroll, written in Aramaic, the language spoken in the Holy Land during Jesus time on earth, was found in a cave on the shores of the Dead Sea by geologists conducting a survey for the Israeli government."

The scrolls read:

"The Rapture will occur suddenly. And countless thousands will vanish from the earth. Swept up to heaven to live with Jesus and escape the torment of the Tribulation, the others will be left behind." — The Dead Sea Scrolls

Or are you trying to tell us that Darby lived in 200BC???

[Quix]

Denying the truth with no evidence is looking [MORE AND MORE UTTERLY PREPOSTEROUS.

Either show proof that John wrote Revelation prior to 70AD contrary to history or the preterist case is a sham and heresy.

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Given their . . . deficient histories, daffynitionaries, dreadful rubberized math texts etc. . . . I’m beginning to think they shouldn’t be allowed to wander around libraries unattended.

[Quix]

Thanks for your kind affirmation.

It was fun . . . though a bit like shotting fish in a barrel.

[Quix]

BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD.

BLESSED BE THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB.

[topcat54]

A statement of Irenaeus own words is interpretation?

Yes, as I pointed out here, which you never bothered to respond to except with a silly remark. Perhaps suggesting scholarship over emotion is too much to ask. You can have your tradition.

[Quix]

Errrr shooooting fish in a barrel.

[topcat54]

[CynicalBear]

>>When you read and understand what Gentry has provided in pages 45-67 of Before Jerusalem Fell then we can talk about it intelligently.<<

I’ve read that section topcat. I’ve told you that before. A couple of quotes from the book.

We should note at the outset, however, that most scholars doubt there is a problem of translation. [Before Jerusalem Fell Pg 47]

After a tortuous attempt at trying to justify the dating by word gymnastics even Gentry tells us that Farrar said: This particular approach to the Domitian identity is very rarely held even among convinced early date advocates. Farrar says that “no scholar will accept this hypothesis” (Farrar, Ear~ Days, p. 407)

The tortured word gymnastics not withstanding even Gentry can’t convince scholars that Irenaeus didn’t say that Revelation was written mid 90s AD.

Now let’s look at the fact that preterists also say the Nero was the Anti Christ. Nero committed suicide in 68AD. If John had been persecuted during Nero’s reign he certainly would have known that Nero was the Anti Christ. After all he was in heaven when given the vision. Yet he writes of the Anti Christ yet to be future. If he had written Revelation during Nero’s reign he would not have been told the Anti Christ was yet future.

Preterists have many, many, more problems but Irenaeus and John himself are testament that Revelation was, and is, future.

Gentry and other preterists will continue to try to date Revelation earlier in an attempt to give credence to false teaching but it will never change true history.