John 21:25 - “”And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.” The Bible Itself declares that it doesn’t contain everything.”
... I don’t think anyone here believes the Bible contains ALL truth ever spoken by Christ or ALL truth about God. That appears to me to be a straw-man argument.
...The Apostle Paul says all Scripture is inspired by God. So while the Bible doesn’t contain ALL truth or ALL words of Christ, ALL the words it contains are inspired of God. As such, they contain specific instructions for the Church and for believers.
“Ultimate authority - What is ‘the pillar and ground’ of the Truth?” Scripture points to the Church as the pillar and ground of the truth! Why? Because Christ didn’t come to give us a book to read (no matter how Good it is), He Himself declared that He came to give us His Church. His Church can not contradict Scripture... but it does have teaching authority to explain and expound.”
... To clarify, friend, again it is the Apostle Paul under the inspiration of God and writing to a local Church, instructs Timothy about how to act in the household of God. He also refers to the church as the pillar and ground of truth. Paul affirmed the crucial role of the universal church as the support and bulwark of truth — not the source of God’s truth. His words should not be stretched beyond this.
“Saying that the early post-Apostolic Church followed Sola Scriptura is laughable on its face to anyone who has actually read Scripture.”
... I’ve read Scripture and I disagree with what you wrote after this.
“The Apostles were never commanded by Christ to write down what they had learned for the ages to come.”
... The Apostle Paul says they were inspired by God to do so.
“They didn’t bring copies of Bibles for every hotel, they brought the traditions given them by Christ (2 Thess 3:6).
... In response, Paul, again, does not make tradition equal to Scripture. He makes a simple point: those who are living unruly lives are not following traditions (example) demonstrated by himself, who he uses as an example in verses 7-10. There were not mysterious traditions here. He specifies what the example actually was.
... Again, it seems to me a straw-man argument you are making here. There was no NT to carry. As Apostles, who were physically there and were the foundation of the Church, they spoke with Christ’s authority before the Canon of Scripture was formed. They did use God’s Hebrew Scriptures to show Christ fulfilled prophecy as Messiah.
“In every town, they preached first to the Jew and then to the Gentile. Why? Because the Jews had their Scriptures to verify the truth of their teaching.”
...They did this because they were commanded to do it exactly in that order - “to the Jew first and then to the Greek.”
“Lastly, if the Scriptures as understood by the Apostles and their successors (the Old Testament) were their only basis for understanding Christ and His Kingdom... by what authority did the Apostles pronounce that Gentiles did not need to be circumcised (Acts 15)?”
... Old Testament Noachide Law AND the simple fact that THEY were Apostles who are the Scripture says: “Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God’s people and members of God’s household, 20built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.” (Eph 19-20)
... They were chosen by Christ personally to become the foundation upon which God’s household was built.
blessings to you,
ampu
That is the verse (Timothy 3:15) used as a footnote in the original text used as the very first reference in the posted article. Yet, here it is in something supposed to help "prove" the exact opposite of what the Word says!
I don't know if anyone else has had a prayer for guidance answered with a virtual slap in the face, but it's a surprise of sorts when it's so obvious an answer.
Thanks for posting responses to such stuff around here. You and others who do so have been a big help to me and a big boost to my faith as well.
Regards and God Bless You
The Apostle Paul says all Scripture is inspired by God. So while the Bible doesn’t contain ALL truth or ALL words of Christ, ALL the words it contains are inspired of God. As such, they contain specific instructions for the Church and for believers.
Yes... but does it contain ALL instructions for the Church and for believers?
Paul affirmed the crucial role of the universal church as the support and bulwark of truth — not the source of God’s truth.
I didn't even come close to suggesting this. The Church doesn't "make stuff up" as some Protestants accuse. It reflects, reviews, researches and listens to the Holy Spirit promised by Christ to expound and deepen our understanding of revealed truths. It is a model shown in Scripture used by the Apostles.
I appreciate your reasoned conversation. It was sorely lacking before you showed up. God bless.