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To: BenKenobi

“What the Catholic church teaches is that those who have not heard of Christ, can still be saved at the last judgement, by the works of their heart, (those who, in their ignorance, still follow the commands of their conscience become a law unto themselves), as it says in Romans.”

Which just goes to show, yet again, how the Catholic church is opposed to the Word of God.

Romans 2:12 - “For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.”

According to God, all who have sinned without the law, are going to perish.


94 posted on 02/07/2011 3:38:43 PM PST by paulist ("For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain." - Philippians 1:21)
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To: paulist

I already quoted Romans 2, read on further.

Paul goes on to says explicitly that when the Gentiles who are without the Law, obey the requirements of the law, they become a law unto themselves.


95 posted on 02/07/2011 3:45:25 PM PST by BenKenobi (one of the worst mistakes anybody can make is to bet against Americans.")
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To: paulist
"Which just goes to show, yet again, how the Catholic church is opposed to the Word of God."

This was explained to me by a reference in the CCC that mentions God using ways known only to himself to lead someone seeking him but that such a possibility doesn't relieve us of having to preach the Word and spread the Gospel.

I understand what you're saying about Romans, but you're also saying there are things God cannot do other than the obvious ones like lying and so forth. Is that what you mean to say? There was no law when Abraham was chosen, that's why I'm asking since there could be people in the same situation as he was without any knowledge of the Gospel and the Law.

I'm not following why that verse would limit God from doing something we don't know about to lead someone to Salvation if they were seeking him. I know, a missionary could go, but that still doesn't answer whether or not God is limited by that same verse.

96 posted on 02/07/2011 4:29:36 PM PST by Rashputin (Barry is totally insane and being kept medicated and on golf courses to hide the fact)
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To: paulist
re: What the Catholic church teaches is that those who have not heard of Christ, can still be saved at the last judgement, by the works of their heart, (those who, in their ignorance, still follow the commands of their conscience become a law unto themselves), as it says in Romans.

For your information: The Catholic Church does not teach this. There is a novel Catholic theory of invincible ignorance, but it is not infallible. Therefore, it could be totally wrong.

99 posted on 02/07/2011 5:41:24 PM PST by verdugo
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