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To: BenKenobi
re:2, 3, 4. Submission is the issue. Like them, you find submission to Benedict XVI difficult.

Luther and Calvin did not "find submission difficult", they outright rejected the authority of the office of the pope. They were schismatics, and heretics.

Besides, what exactly is there that you feel that the author of the article is not "submitting" too? Obviously, B-16 and his local ordinary in New Hampshire do not see what you see.

This progressivist ruse of "submit" is a now almost 50 year old and can be seen now for what it was, a ploy to get the ignorant of the faith to submit to their lying novelty religion. Open your eyes, All the progressivists and their stooges are not submitting to all the popes of 1960 years. Today, they teach "who knows who is outside of the Church?"

ST. VINCENT OF LERINS (400-450 AD) CONFESSOR OF THE CHURCH

"What then should a Catholic do if some part of the Church were to separate itself from communion with the universal Faith? What other choice can he make but to prefer to the gangrenous and corrupted member the whole of the body that is sound. And if some new contagion were to try to poison no longer a small part of the Church, but all of the Church at the same time, then he will take the greatest care to attach himself to antiquity which, obviously, can no longer be seduced by any lying novelty." (Commonitorium)

from: http://www.traditio.com/tradlib/popelim.txt

138 posted on 02/08/2011 3:32:29 PM PST by verdugo
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To: verdugo

I’m familiar with their arguments, and yours.

Luther made similar ones and eventually came to the conclusion that he must divide the body in order to save the souls of his charges. The result is what we see today. That he argued the Church was irredeemably corrupt, is identical to your argument here.

Benedict has welcomed you in as our brothers and sisters. Then as now, I wrote, we shall see whether they shall submit to the legitimate authority of this pope.

You are right, that there are many who have undermined the teachings of the previous two millenia. I agree with you wholeheartedly. But the answer is not the division of the body, but to submit to the legitimate authority of Benedict XVI. Then we can work together.

We have far to many enemies to fight each other, we must stand together.


139 posted on 02/08/2011 3:39:25 PM PST by BenKenobi (one of the worst mistakes anybody can make is to bet against Americans.")
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