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To: Nevadan
EVERYTHING BELOW are **!!GENERAL!!** OBSERVATIONS ABOUT ALL GOVERNMENT SCHOOLING AND DOES NOT REFER SPECIFICALLY TO ANY FREEPER PERSONALLY!!! ( I have tried to be very careful about that.)

The age group I mentioned at the beginning of the article, teens through early thirties are perhaps vulnerable for a number of reasons;

It is they who have been for the most part deliberately propagandized through our public schools, to develop ‘sensitivity’ to homosexual issues, and to question even their own sexuality, long before they have even entered puberty ( from the article)

When children attend godless schools, and are taught in these schools to think, reason, and view the world through the lens of a godless worldview, this is what we can expect.

So?...Our collectivist government schools have two choices:

**They can teach everything from a godless perspective,

** or they could be God-centered.

Neither of the above worldviews is religiously neutral in content or consequences. Regardless of the worldview chosen the government will be establishing a religious philosophy with profound moral, ethical, and **political** consequences ( see quote above), and taxpayers will be forced under the threat of police action for this religious establishment.

Obviously, if the government chooses a God-centered worldview then which denomination? Shall it start the day with the Muslim call to prayer, the Mormon 13 Articles of Faith, the Lord's prayer, chants to Krishna?

Even our earliest modern collectivist government schools struggled with this question. Riots broke out in Philadelphia in the mid-1800s over which version of the bible was to be used. Finally, the collectivist schools settled on a generic, basically Unitarian, lukewarm Protestantism.

(By the way...We know what Christ does with the lukewarm. He spits them out of his mouth!)

There is no solution to the problem except to begin the process of privatizing all K-12 education. Let these matters be resolved individually by the parents, teachers, and principals in private settings.

I want others to know that I and many, many other school teachers like me, are not the “godless”, “collectivist”, “socialists” you say we are. I refuse to be defined by you. ( Nevadan)

Regardless of the political or religious beliefs of the teachers, government schools in the U.S. are collectivist, socialist-funded, compulsory-funded, compulsory attendance, government owned and run, managed by people's collectives ( school boards), and utterly GODLESS in their religious worldview.

No one is holding a gun to any government teacher's head forcing them to work in these schools. They willingly go to work and willing agree to support a system that teaches children to think, reason, and evaluate everything in their school day ( and homework) in godless manner. They agree to establish and uphold a system of schools that teaches children to think godlessly, and to be comfortable with collectivism; socialism; government ownership and management of their lives ( and now even death); and people's committees ( voting mobs) that regulate their moral, ethical, cultural, political, and ( most important) spiritual indoctrination .

It is the godlessness that has led to the very problem outlined in the essay. Yet...Government teachers, every day, across this nation agree to support this godlessness in our collectivist government schools. Everyday they go into government schools and actually teach their courses in a godless vacuum! If they are Christian, why aren't they working to establish schools in their own churches and working to rescue as many children as possible from this toxic godless stew? Why would they actually agree to feed this poison to the children in their classrooms?

I refuse to be defined by you. ( Nevadan)

Our godless, collectivist, socialist-funded, socialist-managed, compulsory, government owned and run schools define themselves.

As for sin,...It is a sin to teach children to think and reason godlessly. It is a sin to force taxpayers to fund it. It is a sin to force children to attend it. It is a sin to force parents to pay ransom to rescue their children from this religiously NON-neutral toxic stew. (Some call the extra money needed to pay for private schooling and homeschooling "ransom" or "jizna".)

Government schools are NOT religiously neutral. They teach and establish the religious worldview of godlessness!

although many of you are very disappointed with the performance of public schools in the last 20 years or so,

ALL government schools in this nation are godless in their worldview: The academically good, the bad, and the ugly.

All government schools in this nation are socialist-funded, government owned and run, managed by people's collectives: The good, the bad, and the ugly.

Simply by attending children learn to be comfortable with socialism; government ownership and management of their lives; and have the people's committees ( voting mobs) make moral; ethical; **religious**, and political decisions about what they should think and believe.

Regardless of the motivations of the teachers in these godless schools. They are what they are! They are godless! (And..By the way, socialist etc.)

The real question is, do individual states have the right to establish public schools and fund them by the tax-dollars of each individual state’s citizenry?

The fundamental problem here is that government schooling can NOT NOT NOT be religiously, politically, or culturally neutral. There is a fundamental conflict between government schooling and the establishment of religion. NO school ( this includes **all** government schools) can be religiously neutral because **all** schools must choose between either a godless or God-centered worldview. Neither of these worldviews is religiously, culturally, or politically neutral in content or conflict.

"Gotta" go. I am in a rush. ( not proof read).

44 posted on 02/07/2011 6:45:38 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: wintertime

re: “The fundamental problem here is that government schooling can NOT NOT NOT be religiously, politically, or culturally neutral. There is a fundamental conflict between government schooling and the establishment of religion. NO school ( this includes **all** government schools) can be religiously neutral because **all** schools must choose between either a godless or God-centered worldview. Neither of these worldviews is religiously, culturally, or politically neutral in content or conflict.”

Wintertime - you still don’t get it. You continue to make it an “either/or” proposition and, it’s just not true. As I said, you do not define me or any other teacher.


45 posted on 02/07/2011 7:01:26 AM PST by Nevadan
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