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How The Reformation Changed The Church
frontline.org ^ | Dr. Peter Hammond

Posted on 02/05/2011 11:07:42 AM PST by Gamecock

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To: Dr. Eckleburg
lol. What's wrong with the Gospel of John? Was it not God-breathed? Is it incorrect?

If it were not for John 6 they would probably say John was nuts..

941 posted on 02/07/2011 5:40:49 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: CynicalBear
"Excuse me? Did you just say that Calvinists are not Christians?"

Did I stutter? Sadly many are not.

Do they believe in the hierarchy of Scripture and place the actual words, works, and examples given by Christ an exaulted position within the revealed word or do they simply relegate Christ to the one who prepared the way for St. Paul's new Good News?

Do they believe in the Real Presence during the Eucharist or do they believe that the following of Christ's actual words is an abomination?

DO they solidly believe in the Trinity with the co-equal beings of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit?

Do they believe that Mary was preserved pure from Birth or do they believe that Jesus was produced from a filthy vessel?

Shall I go on or do you get the picture?

943 posted on 02/07/2011 5:41:39 PM PST by Natural Law (As a Catholic I know I am held to a higher standard (but it's worth it).)
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To: Natural Law; Dr. Eckleburg
Just because God knows the outcome does not mean he caused it to happen. Predestination is the real gibberish and the shirking of ones obligations to make the right choices and take the right actions is what separates Calvinists from Christians and all too often from God.

Was Jesus predestined?

944 posted on 02/07/2011 5:42:22 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg

nothing wrong with John, since the Church placed it in the canon of Scripture. without the Church which both of you enjoy attacking, you would not even have the book to read. thank a monk, next time you see one!


945 posted on 02/07/2011 5:44:58 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: CynicalBear; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...

Ooops.

I’m slipping here.

900 posts and counting and still waiting for some Catholic to tell us what in the article this thread is about is a lie or slander.


946 posted on 02/07/2011 5:46:59 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"lol. What's wrong with the Gospel of John?"

I forgot, you guys believe that the Synoptic Gospels were intended only for the Jews and rarely, if ever, read them....What on earth was I thinking?

947 posted on 02/07/2011 5:47:23 PM PST by Natural Law (As a Catholic I know I am held to a higher standard (but it's worth it).)
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To: RnMomof7
"Was Jesus predestined?"

Don't be ridiculous or blasphemous. Jesus is God.

948 posted on 02/07/2011 5:51:08 PM PST by Natural Law (As a Catholic I know I am held to a higher standard (but it's worth it).)
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To: metmom

do you wonder why Jews don’t comment on the Elders of Zion? why comment on obvious trash??


949 posted on 02/07/2011 5:52:03 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: Natural Law
So you would say that only those who belong to the RCC are saved? Your inference that a person needs to believe all that you have listed to be saved is in direct contradiction to scripture. “believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved”.

>> Do they believe that Mary was preserved pure from Birth or do they believe that Jesus was produced from a filthy vessel?<<

Are you saying that Jesus was not the only “sinless” person on earth? If Mary was sinless shouldn’t her parents have been sinless? If Mary was born sinless from sinful parents why couldn’t Jesus have been born sinless from sinful parents?

950 posted on 02/07/2011 5:52:38 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Natural Law; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...
AHHHHHH YES.

MORE BRAZEN
FABRICATED FALSEHOODS
IN THE SERVICE OF THE WHITE HANKYS!


What a surprise!

!NOT!

951 posted on 02/07/2011 5:54:32 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Natural Law; Dr. Eckleburg

Many are called but few chosen (Matt. 20: 16, 23: 14); for the elects’ sake the days of tribulation shall be shortened (Matt.24: 22; Mark 23: 20). “Shall not God avenge His own elect?” (Luke 18:7). For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if [it were] possible, even the elect.(Mar 13:22)


952 posted on 02/07/2011 5:54:39 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Natural Law; editor-surveyor; RnMomof7; metmom
you guys believe that the Synoptic Gospels were intended only for the Jews and rarely, if ever, read them

lol. When RC apologists have NO evidence to support their claims, they resort to compounding fantasy with more fabrications.

RCs do not appear to read their Bibles because when asked for support for their beliefs, they usually fall back on church fathers and magisterical pronouncements and edicts from various popes.

As far as your accusation is concerned, all any lurker has to do is read back over the threads and see who posts Scripture to support their beliefs. Scripture from the OT and NT, from the first three Gospels and the fourth Gospel, from Paul and Peter and Luke and John, knowing full well that "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."

Given that you've now been shown that Cronos' post was pulled, are you still moved to defend it?

953 posted on 02/07/2011 5:55:28 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: CynicalBear

because Jesus is God and Mary is not.
( sorry to burst the fantasies of many here who wish we taught differently!! )


954 posted on 02/07/2011 5:55:39 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: RnMomof7; Natural Law; Dr. Eckleburg

gee, i guess there must not have been any elect until the 16th century, because there sure were a lot of people fooled before then!


955 posted on 02/07/2011 5:57:59 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Religion Moderator; Cronos
"Given that you've now been shown that Cronos' post was pulled, are you still moved to defend it?"

That post was on a completely different thread. Since you are such an expert on Forum Rules perhaps you can remind me and the mod what the rules are about dragging arguments from thread to thread and about pinging FReepers when dragging them into a discussion.

Seems to me you have two strikes on you now. You better choke up and protect if you want to remain on this thread.

956 posted on 02/07/2011 6:00:16 PM PST by Natural Law (As a Catholic I know I am held to a higher standard (but it's worth it).)
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To: boatbums; Cronos
How rich! Your buddy Markbsnr tried the same reprimand on me in another thread. Can't win the theology argument, can't admit that a woman cleaned your clock, so what do you do? Take out the "women should submit" card!

We're not looking for a submissive woman; we're looking for a perfect one:


957 posted on 02/07/2011 6:00:22 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: RnMomof7

As you keeping posting, you have no clue as to what Scripture actually means. What standard will you use to to judge others, then? And even here, you bring up the judgement of one man upon the actions of another, yet you have repeatedly over the years judged others’ salvation.


958 posted on 02/07/2011 6:03:02 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: Natural Law; CynicalBear
Do they believe that Mary was preserved pure from Birth or do they believe that Jesus was produced from a filthy vessel?

Then how would Mary have been produced sinless from a filthy vessel?

959 posted on 02/07/2011 6:04:08 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
It would help if you understood the Book of Acts. It is a transition period from law to grace, from the gospel of the Kingdom to the gospel of the grace of God. From "repent and be baptized for the remission of sins" to "For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast."

Did Paul go to the lost and say "Repent and be baptized for the remission of sins."? No. Not once. He stated in effect, "I have wonderful news for you. Your sins have all been paid for. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved." Did the 12 go to the lost and say what Paul said? No. They said "Repent and be baptized for the remission of sins."

God's righteousness was not revealed in water baptism. It was revealed in the gospel of the grace of God. It is ONE BAPTISM that brings us into Christ. The baptism BY the Holy Spirit into Christ. It is NOT water baptism.

You seem to think I believe in two baptisms. Nothing could be further from the truth.

If you read Acts prayerfully, you would see what was unfolding between Matthew,Mark,Luke and John, and the book of Romans. You would even understand why Paul was baptized with water. And maybe why Paul circumcised Timothy. Perhaps you would understand why Peter and the 11 remained in Jerusalem while Paul took his message to the world.

Can it be any clearer you ask? sure, if you understand 2 Timothy 2:15.

You still haven't answered my question: What are divers washings?

960 posted on 02/07/2011 6:04:38 PM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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