Posted on 02/05/2011 11:07:42 AM PST by Gamecock
The only things I ever get is from St Matthew’s Church in Tulsa OK, a cheap paper “prayer cloth” (a scam).
Ever since I sent in a donation to Catholic Relief Services for Haitian earthquake relief I have been besieged with letters from Catholic organizations promising me all sorts of “blessed” gifts if I make a donation to them.
The donation I made to Baptist relief services for Haiti I received a nice “Thank You” and NO constant requests for more donations.
Satan is indeed a sly one working in subtle ways, but each time God protects His elect.
History condemns them.
I think a more fruitful discussion would be how the Reformation churches were a first step away from the tyranny of the Dark Ages and the paganism that was brought into Christianity, but it was not the last step. Bible literacy, evangelism, and most importantly separation of church and state followed the break from Roman domination.
Agreed, wholeheartedly.
The Reformation churches did not break this connection between church and state in their quest to return to Scripture as the rule of the faith. If they had they would have been destroyed like all the other Christian Churches that refused to submit to Roman control prior to this.
Agreed, but more to the point, powerful Protestant nations provided sanctuary, and the American continent beckoned to those chaffing under the heavy burdens of the Roman church, and the secular lords in collusion with her...
It is the capability of an opposing force, which, for the first time, left the Roman church without a means of enforcement. Thank God for that.
Exactly.
The Reformation churches (Protestant Churches) may well be a transitional group. They provided the freedom for people to search the Scriptures for themselves and form new "assemblies", or what we call churches. The Reformed churches for all their good were still influenced to some degree by the Roman institution they broke from.
Now Christians search the Scriptures for guidance and see when a church falls into error. If it can't be turned back to Scripture Christians leave. Non-Denominational Christian churches are growing and have members from all churches. IOW, Christians are seeking other Christians to fellowship with regardless of what older churches say. I think this explains why we feel a common bond even though we may have differences. We are united by our Faith in The Gospel and are members of the Body of Christ.
We are truly returning to the pre-Nicea Christianity where Christians were united by Faith not by force and membership was determined by Faith not by birth.
***God’s word is the only thing we need.
The Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant Bible?***
KJV Preface 1611
From the Translators to the Reader
§ 13 [An answer to the imputations of our adversaries.]
• 1 Now to the latter we answer, that we do not deny, nay, we affirm and avow, that the very meanest translation of the Bible in English, set forth by men of our profession, (for we have seen none of theirs of the whole Bible as yet) containeth the Word of God, nay, is the Word of God.
• 2 As the King’s Speech which he uttered in Parliament, being translated into French, Dutch, Italian, and Latin, is still the King’s Speech, though it be not interpreted by every translator with the like grace, nor peradventure so fitly for phrase, nor so expressly for sense, everywhere.
“NON-DAFFYNITIONARY words carry conventional meanings in the real world regardless of the wails and whines of the RC’s !!!DEMANDING!!! !!!!CONTROL!!!! of the vocabulary”
Oh really?
This is your post from December and the only person on these boards demanding censorship IS YOU:
“NOT AT ALL.
Thankfully, there’s been a decrease in the brazenly heretical THREAD TITLES daring Proddys to fuss.
However, the RC’s are quite persistent and eager in their spreading of the Maryolatry stuff 24/7 at the slightest excuse and without any excuse.
632 posted on Sunday, December 05, 2010 7:56:52 PM by Quix (Times are a changin’ INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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The only group !!!DEMANDING!!! control is your bunch and frankly, not even them so much as YOU.
I shall address my three part reply to posters on both sides 50/50.
1. We should follow the Scripture on choosing when to engage and when to disengage a debate.
To paraphrase the following passage, try not to answer foolish claims or questions. It is better to ignore them than to take them seriously.
And limit our attempts to correct another poster’s heresy to two. If he won’t hear us after the second try, just walk away, let God deal with him.
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself. – Titus 3:9-11
God’s justice is perfectly balanced. We each individually build the scales whereby we will each be individually weighed. The way we treat other posters is the way God will treat us.
Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: - Luke 6:37
Blessed [are] the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. – Matt 5:7
Never hold a grudge for the way a poster has treated us. For if we refuse to forgive others, God will not hear our prayers. Emphasis mine.
For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. - Matthew 6:5-15
And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses. – Mark 11:24-26
I do not see a ‘demand’ in that post.
What about the demand from God’s Word and that idolatry is forbidden?
The RCC saying their worship and accolades of Mary is not idolatry means nothing - it is what God’s Word says. It’s up to catholics to decide - do they believe God or man.
This is a particularly astute observation, wmfights.
If one looks across the length of it all, even as the apostate church becomes amorphous, consisting of not only Rome and her paganism, but also the fallen mainline churches of Protestantism, so the Church becomes more evident, as they inevitably "come out of her"...
Soon enough, the congealing of the apostate church in it's profane ecumenicism will occur, made ready for the lawless one to arise... And the Church will be winnowed yet again, one final time.
And one can be sure that it will be adherence to the Scriptures that will be the significant hallmark of the Church, and that adherence will be very hard to do and live.
In that light, I agree with you that the Reformation churches were transitory - and quite likely, the Evangelical non-denoms are too...
Only in the
RUBBERIZED
QUIXotic
DAFFYNITIONARY would Pentecostals be considered "PRODDY".
Only by the loosest definition of Protestantism which includes all western, non-Catholic Christian denominations can they be considered Protestant.Surely Luther would have called them an anathema and Calvin would have had them burned at the stake.
“What about the demand from God’s Word and that idolatry is forbidden?
The RCC saying their worship and accolades of Mary is not idolatry means nothing - it is what God’s Word says. It’s up to catholics to decide - do they believe God or man.”
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First, Catholics are not idolators and I won’t have a discussion any further with that type of blatant lie.
You all have been told many times what is the Catholic belief the Mother of God is not a goddess, is not worshipped, and is not in any way other than a creature like us.
“In his sermon of August 15, 1522, the last time Martin Luther preached on the Feast of the Assumption, he stated:
There can be no doubt that the Virgin Mary is in heaven. How it happened we do not know. And since the Holy Spirit has told us nothing about it, we can make of it no article of faith . . . It is enough to know that she lives in Christ.
The veneration of Mary is inscribed in the very depths of the human heart. (Sermon, September 1, 1522).
[She is the] highest woman and the noblest gem in Christianity after Christ . . . She is nobility, wisdom, and holiness personified. We can never honor her enough. Still honor and praise must be given to her in such a way as to injure neither Christ nor the Scriptures. (Sermon, Christmas, 1531).
No woman is like you. You are more than Eve or Sarah, blessed above all nobility, wisdom, and sanctity. (Sermon, Feast of the Visitation, 1537).
One should honor Mary as she herself wished and as she expressed it in the Magnificat. She praised God for his deeds. How then can we praise her? The true honor of Mary is the honor of God, the praise of God’s grace . . . Mary is nothing for the sake of herself, but for the sake of Christ . . . Mary does not wish that we come to her, but through her to God. (Explanation of the Magnificat, 1521).
Luther gives the Blessed Virgin the exalted position of “Spiritual Mother” for Christians:
It is the consolation and the superabundant goodness of God, that man is able to exult in such a treasure. Mary is his true Mother .. (Sermon, Christmas, 1522)
Mary is the Mother of Jesus and the Mother of all of us even though it was Christ alone who reposed on her knees . . . If he is ours, we ought to be in his situation; there where he is, we ought also to be and all that he has ought to be ours, and his mother is also our mother. (Sermon, Christmas, 1529).
Martin Luther had the belief of Mary’s Immaculate Conception, Luther’s words follow:
It is a sweet and pious belief that the infusion of Mary’s soul was effected without original sin; so that in the very infusion of her soul she was also purified from original sin and adorned with God’s gifts, receiving a pure soul infused by God; thus from the first moment she began to live she was free from all sin” (Sermon: “On the Day of the Conception of the Mother of God,” 1527).
She is full of grace, proclaimed to be entirely without sin- something exceedingly great. For God’s grace fills her with everything good and makes her devoid of all evil. (Personal {”Little”} Prayer Book, 1522).”
http://www.davidmacd.com/catholic/martin_luther_on_mary.htm
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” Because catholics are ‘taught’ it’s important from man made teachings.”
The Sacraments are BIBLICAL. THEY ARE COMMANDS.
I can’t help it if some of your group have created a man-made, etioliated, barren religion divorced from God’s gifts.
Also, what makes this interesting is you see a wide variety of churches. We have Methodists, Quakers, Mennonites, Pentecostals, to Non-Denominationals all sharing the same Faith in Jesus Christ and belief that Scripture Alone is the Rule of the faith.
And one can be sure that it will be adherence to the Scriptures that will be the significant hallmark of the Church, and that adherence will be very hard to do and live.
We see this in the mission field today. I expect it will only get worse.
In that light, I agree with you that the Reformation churches were transitory - and quite likely, the Evangelical non-denoms are too...
I'm with you. The constant is belief in The Gospel and Scripture as the guide. The level of discernment may vary.
Soon enough, the congealing of the apostate church in it's profane ecumenicism will occur, made ready for the lawless one to arise... And the Church will be winnowed yet again, one final time.
The Roman Church has often been accused of producing the Antichrist, but I think that was probably more due to the atrocities committed by this church. I think what we will see, if we are around, is the False Prophet will emerge from the profane ecumenism.
“I do not see a ‘demand’ in that post.”
If some can see a “demand” and “Control!” in that Catholics in defining their own religious belief impinge on another’s non-Catholic theology, then I can maintain that “demand” is implied in that post.
Some find offense in others’ word-based beliefs when in actuality, their sense of offense is not so much based on belief as in a sense of their own self-righteousness.
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