How The Reformation Changed The Church

frontline.org ^ | Dr. Peter Hammond

[bkaycee]

Are you a sedavacantist?

[MarkBsnr]

This really bothers you, doesn’t it? It’s the truth. I knew it by way of people I’ve known personally from Valdese.

Isn't it odd that the only primary reference is in Wikipedia, and there are only other references, both copied from Wikipedia. Why are there no other primary sources if this was true? Surely there are enough anti Catholics in the media to share this heinous incident with the world, if true.

[metmom]

Your logic is disturbing. A traditional Catholic would conclude that all those bishops and popes have lost the Faith or their marbles, you conclude that 1900+ years of teaching are out the door.

Anyone with two brain cells to keep each other company could arrive at that conclusion.

If the leadership of the Catholic church is involved in that kind of practices, then yes, it's readily apparent that 1900+ years of Catholicism is out the door and that it's not the fault of anyone but the Catholic church. The Catholic hierarchy has pushed it out the door.

If all those bishops and popes have lost their faith or marbles, what does it tell you about the general condition of the Catholic church. Why the heck are Catholics sticking with an institution run by heretics or crackpots? What's wrong with them?

For all Catholic contend that Jesus established the Catholic church as the means of salvation for the world, it's existence has been fraught with immorality, corruption, and heresy. That is exactly why non-Catholics contend that the Catholic church was NOT established by Christ Himself. .

[RegulatorCountry]

Cast doubt all you want if it serves your purpose, MarkBsnr. It’s the truth.

[rbmillerjr]

Yet The Church has stood through all of it.

...and it will continue to stand...absurd flailing against it aside.

It is the rock that evil throws itself against...to no avail.

[count-your-change]

I have a question about your comment on excommunication. Several times posters have stated that when a Catholic, priest in particular, engages in grave sin, they excommunicate themselves even if no formal proceedings take place.

Is that your view? and as a corollary, would not then Honorius have excommunicated himself before his death and subsequent excommunication?

If so then would that not mean the Catholic Church was being headed by an excommunicated Pope?

[count-your-change]

I have a question about your comment on excommunication. Several times posters have stated that when a Catholic, priest in particular, engages in grave sin, they excommunicate themselves even if no formal proceedings take place.

Is that your view? and as a corollary, would not then Honorius have excommunicated himself before his death and subsequent excommunication?

If so then would that not mean the Catholic Church was being headed by an excommunicated Pope?

[verdugo]

You are not a Catholic. Why do you feel the need to comment on such details of the Catholic faith? I certainly could care less what the author of about the article of this thread has to say, he is not Catholic. Even less so, what you have to say. If you truly believed in your religion of one, you would not care what others have to say about it.

All non-Catholic opinions to me are the same whether they come from Orthodox to Animists.

[verdugo]

You are not a Catholic, so, don't occupy yourself with those Catholic details of which I wrote. they were intended for Catholics.

[verdugo]

You are not a Catholic, so, don't occupy yourself with those Catholic details of which I wrote. They were intended for Catholics.

[Religion Moderator]

"Open" Religion Forum threads are a town square, posters may argue for or against deities, beliefs, religious authorities, etc.

If that style of debate is offensive to you, then ignore the "open" RF threads altogether and instead post to RF threads labeled "caucus" "ecumenical" "prayer" or "devotional."

[count-your-change]

Since it’s an open thread I’ll occupy myself with what I choose. But thanks for the tap dance.

[count-your-change]

Thanks, RM. You’re quicker on the keys than I am this morn.

[smvoice]

Your logic is disturbing. A traditional Catholic would conclude that all those bishops and popes have lost the Faith or their marbles, you conclude that 1900+ years of teaching are out the door.

Jim, I think we've made contact...

[Iscool]

I have a question about your comment on excommunication. Several times posters have stated that when a Catholic, priest in particular, engages in grave sin, they excommunicate themselves even if no formal proceedings take place.

But what does that mean??? As I understand it, a Catholic can become unexcommunicated once he/she tells a priest that they're sorry...

The do claim that once a Catholic, always a Catholic...

[metmom]

In addition, are the sacraments administered by an ex-communicated priest valid?

Can an self-ex-communicated priest make any infallible pronouncements or dictates?

Does not a man who has that kind of unrepentant sin in their lives disqualify themselves from being ministers of the gospel?

Scripture is quite clear on the qualifications of those in authority. Why does the church not follow them?

[Iscool]

You are not a Catholic. Why do you feel the need to comment on such details of the Catholic faith? I certainly could care less what the author of about the article of this thread has to say, he is not Catholic. Even less so, what you have to say.

Me, Me, pick me (hand raised)...For me, it's so unsuspecting folks can learn of the deception put out by your religion...

If you truly believed in your religion of one, you would not care what others have to say about it.

Naw, there's at least two of us...

Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

[metmom]

Tough questions, eh?

I was baptized a Catholic and raised a Catholic, like many others on this forum. We have Catholic relatives and friends and co-workers.

This is a truth issue. That’s why I feel the need to comment.

In addition, the Catholic church is a reflection on Christianity as a whole. Their actions reflect badly on EVERYONE. For those not familiar with the distinctions, they need to know that what goes on in the Catholic church is not representative of mainstream, Biblical Christianity.

[metmom]

Can an self-ex-communicated priest make any infallible pronouncements or dictates?

Ooops, that should be ....Can an self-ex-communicated POPE make any infallible pronouncements or dictates?