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To: topcat54
the footnotes in the Wiki article for this claim has no reference to any original source material. It's all claims by other people. And the suspicion here is that one secondary source is just quoting from another secondary source.

^ R.J. Rushdoony, The Institutes of Biblical Law, (Nutley, NJ: Craig Press, 1973), pp. 586, 588, citing Vicomte Leon de Poncins, Judaism and the Vatican (London: Britons Publishing Company, 1967), p. 178. "The false witness born during World War II with respect to Germany is especially notable and revealing. The charge is repeatedly made that six million innocent Jews were slain by the Nazis, and the figure—and even larger figures—is now entrenched in the history books. Poncins, in summarizing the studies of the French Socialist, Paul Rassinier, himself a prisoner in Buchenwald, states: Rassinier reached the conclusion that the number of Jews who died after deportation is approximately 1,200,000 and this figure, he tells us, has finally been accepted as valid by the Centre Mondial de Documentation Juive Contemporaine. Likewise he notes that Paul Hilberg, in his study of the same problem, reached a total of 896,292 victims. Very many of these people died of epidemics; many were executed..."

Regarding the holocaust, that is a direct source. He was apparently at least a holocaust revisionist, not a denier in the vein of Achemadinejad. But even those revisions are sinister in my opinion. Have I run to ground the rest of the citations? no, If I have time I will out of curiosity. Hey go for it yourself! The racism (and abortion views) seem to be valid, there is a lot of info out there.

16 posted on 02/04/2011 6:10:12 PM PST by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: blasater1960; RJR_fan
Regarding the holocaust, that is a direct source.

The problem here is that it is not a complete source. A few pages later Rushdoony gives this assessment of Poncins and why he is used in this context, which is a discussion of the Ninth Commandment and bearing false witness. On p. 589, he says:

Basic to all lying tongues is the unwillingness to accept responsibility. Satan is called the father of lies by our Lord (John 8:44), and Adam and Eve, after accepting Satan’s principle, immediately lied about their guilt (Gen. 3:9-13). Where men are evading their responsibility, they are liars. In denying their guilt and their responsibility, they must affirm the guilt and responsibility of their environment, human and otherwise. Thus, to return to Poncins, the thesis of his study is that the Church of Rome has been victimized by the Jews. The plight of the church is not the responsibility of the church; churchmen from the pope down are all whitewashed. For Poncins the guilt always lies elsewhere, with the Jews or with the Freemasons. Satan did tempt Eve, and other people may tempt us, but, in the sight of God, the basic and primary responsibility is always ours. We cannot escape from guilt by blaming others; we then add a lying tongue to our offenses, and we then become progressively insensitive to the reality of evil. Just as a narcotic addict needs a progressively larger dose to maintain his habit, so the liar needs both a more monstrous lie and a more perverse reality in order to maintain his stability in terms of evil. A liar is thus more dangerous than a thief : he destroys far more, and he lets loose greater evils.

Poncins, bitterly anti-Jewish, is ready to report the errors in the accounts of Nazi murders of Jews; he is not ready to be distressed that any were brutally murdered. Poncins is hostile to lies about the numbers of Jews killed, but is he not repeating the lie of Adam and Eve in blaming the evils of the church on everyone except the church? With Eve, Poncins says the serpent gave me, and I did eat; it was therefore not my fault. Poncins must blame someone other than churchmen who have great powers, because to do so would be to accept the guilt of the church, and of its members, including himself.

Every false witness is dangerous, in that it sets loose a vast chain of consequences which cannot be recalled; it unleashes a taint which spreads and leads finally to action. Solomon was right in the sequence of consequences: first the thought, then the word, and finally the act.

It's apparent Rushdoony is not quoting Poncins favorably at all, or even advocating his thesis. To the contrary, he is being used as an exhibit of bearing false witness.

The irony is that someone pulled a Rushdoony quote out of context and attempted to portray it as something it is not. That's called bearing false witness.

20 posted on 02/05/2011 7:07:30 AM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
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To: blasater1960; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; TSgt; ex-Texan; The Comedian; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; ...
WHAT AN INDICTMENT
ON REPLACEMENTARIANISM, PRETERISM
AND THE MENTALITIES THAT GO WITH SUCH!

^ R.J. Rushdoony, The Institutes of Biblical Law, (Nutley, NJ: Craig Press, 1973), pp. 586, 588, citing Vicomte Leon de Poncins, Judaism and the Vatican (London: Britons Publishing Company, 1967), p. 178. "The false witness born during World War II with respect to Germany is especially notable and revealing. The charge is repeatedly made that six million innocent Jews were slain by the Nazis, and the figure—and even larger figures—is now entrenched in the history books. Poncins, in summarizing the studies of the French Socialist, Paul Rassinier, himself a prisoner in Buchenwald, states:

Rassinier reached the conclusion that the number of Jews who died after deportation is approximately 1,200,000 and this figure, he tells us, has finally been accepted as valid by the Centre Mondial de Documentation Juive Contemporaine. Likewise he notes that Paul Hilberg, in his study of the same problem, reached a total of 896,292 victims. Very many of these people died of epidemics; many were executed..."

Regarding the holocaust, that is a direct source. He was apparently at least a holocaust revisionist, not a denier in the vein of Achemadinejad. But even those revisions are sinister in my opinion. Have I run to ground the rest of the citations? no, If I have time I will out of curiosity. Hey go for it yourself! The racism (and abortion views) seem to be valid, there is a lot of info out there.

Given that God has begun to severely discipline THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST FIRST, those CLAIMING to be "Christian" who believe such hidiocies from hell would do well to prepare for some very severe disciplines from God Almighty.

24 posted on 02/05/2011 8:40:56 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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