Special Witnesses of Christ (Real LDS/Mormon)

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[Godzilla]

Temple work?

The real Jesus couldn't perform works in the temple since he wasn't of the tribe of Levi - the only ones allowed to do temple work.

The real Jesus was never married - so not temple sealing

The real Jesus never was proxy baptized for another in the temple

The real Jesus never followed the WoW

The real Jesus embraced the cross, mormons run away from it.

[Elsie]

and in some cases incorrect (paragraph 2).

The jury wishes to know what is INCORRECT about paragraph 2.

 

 

[Elsie]

 

Non-Mormons, don’t let someone like Colofornian interpret these things for you.

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JESUS: Hey Smith!  Remember that boast you made about doing more than even I had done to hold the 'church' together?

JOSEPH SMITH: Where am I?

JESUS: Don't you remember? A few seconds ago you were in that jail.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah; but where am I NOW?

JESUS: Don't you remember? Does bang - bang ring a bell?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah - that crummy gun I had was about USELESS!

JESUS: I hope you left instructions on how to hold your church together.

JOSEPH SMITH: Dang! I knew there was SOMETHING I was forgetting!

JESUS: Looks like there's a power struggle going on down there.

JOSEPH SMITH: Yeah; there was always SOMEone who wanted the power that I held - especially over the LADIES - wink wink.

JESUS: No need to worry about that now; remember what my friend Matthew wrote down?

JOSEPH SMITH: This? “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven” (Matthew 22:30)

JESUS: That's it.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: Nah - it was right.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh well; it was fun while it lasted. My buds will still get it on with the girls.

JESUS: Uh; I'm sorry; in just a few more years; your followers will cavein to the United States government and abandon the 'Eternal Covenant' that you came up with.

JOSEPH SMITH: ME!? YOU are the one that told me to do that!

JESUS: Sorry; but you must have mistranslated what I told you. What part of Do NOT commit ADULTERY did you not understand?

JOSEPH SMITH: mumble....

JESUS: What did you say?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, nothing.

JESUS: Well; it was interesting talking to you; but now I must get back to perparing a place for those who believe in Me.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, yeah; the Celestial Kingdom.

JESUS: No...

JOSEPH SMITH: The Telestial one?

JESUS: Nope.

JOSEPH SMITH: SUREly not the TERRESTRIAL one!!

JESUS: Nope. Didn't you read that the mind of man had NOT conceived of it? Paul wrote it down in 1 Corinthians 2:9.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: No; it wasn't.

JOSEPH SMITH: You SURE?

JESUS: Yes. Now I must be going: what did you say your name was again?

JOSEPH SMITH: Joseph Smith.

JESUS: Hmmmm. According to my Heavenly FAITHbook, you didn't sign in as one of my friends - sorry, I never knew you.

JOSEPH SMITH: But....

 

[Elsie]

There’s actually 2 glaring incorrect statements in paragraph 2. Easily found if anyone actually tries.

Prove it; Non-Helper.

[Elsie]

Do I need to post my links?

Would you?

PLEASE!!??

I'd like to refer to some of your links.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“Don’t take my word for it.”

Best advice you’ve ever posted on FreeRepublic!!!

[dragonblustar]

That’s a good one Elsie!!!!! I like it!

[Paragon Defender]

“Don’t take my word for it.”

Best advice you’ve ever posted on FreeRepublic!!!

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haha... I have said it several times. =-)

No need to take my word for it. Any sincere seeker of truth can find out exactly what I have. And this includes the anti-Mormon gang by the way.

[Colofornian]

There’s actually 2 glaring incorrect statements in paragraph 2. Easily found if anyone actually tries. The first I’ll give you because we disagree on that Mormon’s are Christian. He stated that “Christians don’t believe” etc which is false since Mormons believe and are Christians.

Let's see what the Mormon "prophets" have had to say to represent OFFICIAL Mormondom...men who carry a wee bit more "authority" representing the OFFICIAL Mormon church than say, an Anonymous Mormon Online Proselyter (A.M.O.P.):

Lds "prophet" John Taylor: Christianity will bear honest investigation. -- We call ourselves Christians, that is, we Methodists, Baptists, Presbyterians, Congregationalists, Episcopalians and Mormons, we all call ourselves Christians. Well, perhaps we are, and then, perhaps WE are NOT" (The Gospel Kingdom,pp. 75)

Note...Taylor could NOT speak for the Methodists, Baptists,Presbyterians, Congregationalists or Episcopalians...his reference to "we" could ONLY officially speak for official Mormondom. Note the "perhaps WE are not."

Lds "apostle" Bruce McConkie: "The WHOLE CHRISTIAN world, in the days of the Prophet, believed falsely that God was a mystical spirit essence that filled the immensity of space and was everywhere and nowhere in particular present -- all of which proved only that they were all heretics, that the apostasy was universal. Heresy is false doctrine...There is no salvation in a false doctrine." (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, p. 352)

Ah, an Lds "apostle" claiming "the WHOLE Christian world...believed falsely..." in the 1820s to 1840s era.

Why, if that was true, then Mormonism wasn't PART or ALL of the "Christian world," now was it, PD?

That means that Mormons were set apart as part of the MORMON world in the 1820s, 1830s, and 1840s.

Lds "apostle" Parley Pratt, ancestor of Mitt Romney: The sooner the present generation loses ALL reverence and respect for modern 'Christianity' with all its powerless forms and solemn mockeries, the sooner they will be prepared to receive the kingdom of God" (The Key to the Science of Theology, 1978 - written in the 1850s - p. 68)

Now if this Romney ancestor Mormon "apostle" thought either he -- or Mormondom -- represented "modern Christianity" circa 1850s...why would Pratt call for that present generation to "lose ALL reverence and respect" for Mormondom? It would make absolutely NO sense.

Obviously, unlike PD in 2011, Pratt in the 1850s did not see Mormonism as "Modern Christianity." Pratt, in fact, railed against the then "Modern Christianity"...and since we've NEVER heard Mitt Romney dismiss or apologize for the words of his direct ancestor...who knows what Mitt believes about "modern Christianity?"

Taylor again: "What does THE Christian world know about God? Nothing; yet these very men assume the right and power to tell others what they shall not believe in. Why so far as the things of God are concerned, they are the veriest of fools; they know neither God nor the things of God." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 13, p. 225 May 6, 1870)

There ya go again...Another reference to "THE Christian world" supposedly being "the veriest of fools"...

We looked at...
...McConkie's worldview of Christians during the "days of the prophet" (1820s-1844)...
...Pratt's comment directed to the "present generation" of the 1850s...
...And now, by 1870, what do we find with John Taylor? Mormon leaders were still referencing "THE Christian world" in 100% negative, bigoted, absolute terms...without PD's "special" qualifiers of either "we're Christians, too" or "we're the only true Christians in town."

And, btw, 'Zilla's right from his post. PD's as bigoted as their "apostles" (McConkie) and "apostles-turned-prophets" (Taylor) were. Chips off of the older heaven-blockers.

Well, let's jump forward to Mormon leaders in the 20th century:

McConkie again: "Modern Christians, as part of their various creeds and doctrines, have inherited many myths, legends, and traditions from their ancestors -- all of which views they falsely assume are part of true religion...Indeed, it would be difficult to assemble a greater number of myths into one philosophical system than are now found in the philosophies of modern Christendom." (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, p. 525)

Well, besides more Mormon bigotry vs. Christians, what else can we glean from this comment? McConkie, again, doesn't try to "qualify" 1966 Christians other than calling them "modern". No attempt, in this comment, anyway, to make them carry any other identity than Christ.

But more importantly, as is true in ALL of the quotes I'm citing on this post, would a Mormon leader speak so negatively of a complete class of people ("modern Christians") if McConkie thought that he himself was such a "modern Christian?"

Obviously, no. You don't blast a group of people in an absolute way if you think you share that label with them...UNLESS, of course, you consider yourself to be exactly what you accuse them of...hardly fits the context.

So there ya go...a review of almost 150 years of Mormon leaders' unqualified attitude exhibited toward "Christians," the "Christian world" and "Christianity" without any attempt in those statements to qualify themselves as "fellow" Christians, part of the Christian world, or "we're Christianity, too."

So...given that some Mormons like to think of Christians as respectable and say, "We're Christians, too" (emphasis on the TOO part)...and other Mormons like to come along & say, "Well, they 'think' they are Christian, but we're the ONLY True (Restored) Christian on the face of the earth."

If we take the comments above at face value -- allowing Mormon leaders to speak for OFFICIAL Mormondom themselves (you want the truth, right?) -- which of those two types of Mormons were those leaders?

Well, in McConkie's case, we don't have to completely wonder. In that same 1966 book, Mormon Doctrine, McConkie referenced us as "so-called Christianity" on p. 131. So we at least know that -- given all the comments he made in that book put together -- he certainly was not the first type of Mormon...AND, he represented at least the initial part of that second type of Mormon.

So, we can ask PD: "Which of those two types of Mormons, PD, are you? Do you think ALL denominational types are generically 'Christian' and relate to Jesus? Or, do you think that ONLY Mormons are Christians & we're just 'so-called' ones?"

Jugding on past non-responses from PD, I don't expect him to respond. Still, I accord him the courtesy of free agency to do so.

Given that his free agency is likely to decline, based upon his previous SPAM pattern, I will say this: If PD's going to be a faithful covenant Mormon by not throwing McConkie, Taylor, & Pratt under the bus...then he -- like them -- won't have ANYTHING positive to say about Christians. If he's going to be faithful & embrace what they've said about us, then it'll be 100% negative, stated in absolute ways, with no "qualification" allowed.

* So, PD, how do you reconcile all of that?
* How can "Christian" & "Christian world" & "Christianity" be used in unqualified, absolute 100% negative ways for almost 150 Mormon leader years, & yet now you want to come & steal such a negative label for you & other Mormons? How can that be?
* If it's so negative, why would you want to wear that badge?
* And if you think we (plural) don't deserve the name of "Christ," then why don't just come right & show your intolerant bigotry toward us & say so instead of hiding it behind the wings stage left?
* Or, in case I haven't given you full free-agent options," if you think McConkie & Taylor & Parley Pratt were all "wet" & were guilty of falsely prophesying about us Christians, then why don't you say so? [Well, I doubt one who deems himself as THE PARAGON DEFENDER .. the one who has agreed with Smith as referencing us as "corrupt," would do the latter...yeah, I know...wasted keyboard time for me]

[Elsie]

No need to take my word for it.

Word?

WHAT word?

All lurkers EVER get from you is, "Sorry; but you folks are not worthy of my time. Look it up for yourselves."

[Elsie]

Propaganda: the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person

It seems the above definition needs a little expansion when it comes to the MORMON apologetics of FR.. This Merriam-Webster entry for "propaganda" would be more complete if it read "the spreading and/or omission of information for the purpose of helping or injuring a cause. The omission-style of propaganda was, and still is, on full display with every post that certain people type.

 

 

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[svcw]

Well done sir, well done.

[svcw]

I have looked at your links, I have read the material, I have been to lds services, I have lived with lds and the Word and Spirit of God tells me to flee from lds blasphemy. The Word and Spirit of God tells me to be free in Him.

[MHGinTN]

It is close ... but no soup for Monson et al. The 'church' which has plastered the Name Jesus Christ in its title has been the author of lies, confusion and outright blasphemies. God, the great I AM, is not the author of confusion and certainly would not put His approval on an institution which maintains blasphemy.

Mormonism is not Christianity and Mormonism is hallmarked with blasphemies and demonic deceits. But it can look oh so close to the mrak, but the mark turns out to be that of the beast. The Ekklesia is composed of peoples from all races and nations and is hallmarked by God's Spirit imprint upon the individual souls/spirits of those who are Bron Again by trusting in Jesus Christ as their Savior from a moment in their lifetime and forever more.

The Ekklesia earns nothing to save the individual members, it is by faith, a gift Of God. However, once in the Ekklesia, there is an expectation of certian behavioral attributes. Mormonism truns that right the way around, to promote the demonic opposite as 'the path to salvation' after all that you can do, after obedience to the man-made strictures of this 'church' Tommy and company are pushing.

[MHGinTN]

Jesus proved that He can change water, even washpot water in the best wine. If you want Mogen David, you’ll have that one. I would prefer a Ruby Port or an aged Merlot. But that’s one of the great things about the where/when Jesus is preparing for those whose lives are hide with Him.

[MHGinTN]

Jesus proved that He can change water, even washpot water, into the best wine. If you want Mogen David, you'll have that one. I would prefer a Ruby Port or an aged Merlot. But that's one of the great things about the where/when Jesus is preparing for those whose lives are hide with Him.

[Vendome]

Now that I know that, I have something for you and will try to get it out to you in a day or two.

[SZonian]

Ha! Ha!

Nothing, nothing as usual, just playing with consonants and vowels and an internet thesaurus because the hands of knowledge are empty.

I’ll have to take a look at my wife’s primary curriculum and see if the alphabet is what’s being taught.

Btw, I don’t argue with an anti-Christian who doesn’t present any information.

I use that mormon as a sounding board to present the facts of mormonism.

[SZonian]

"Mormons teach that without all of the “ordinances”, one cannot dwell in the presence of God the Father in the celestial kingdom."

So, Colofornian was right and your accusation is wrong. If a mormon or a Christian doesn't present their filthy rags [temple work, tithing, etc.], then they don't get to dwell with [the mormon god].

Thanks for the confirmation.

The previous comments made by the lame mormon "apologist" were lies then, trying to lay down a twisted path of confusion in hopes that any would forget that the accusation against Colofornian was not truthful.

Oh, what a deceitful web of slander and libel is weaved by the purveyor of mormon falsehoods.

[Vendome]

I don’t believe Mormonism is Christianity either.

I had for years never bothered to pay attention to it and simply gave them equal status so as not to cause an argument.

Then again my friends never bothered to talk to me about it.

After hearing LDS was the one true religion and that some religions are more perfect than others I finally began to investigate.

One of the first things I investigated was the Pearl of Great Price.

A friend was telling me the story of the Pearl of Great Price and I became confused.

I explained I had never heard that and the story of the Pearl of Great Price is familiar to most Christians as part of the three great parables, with the PoP explaining why works could never get you into heaven or make you more than what God sees us as.

This friend went ballistic and said there was no such thing and the story was unique to LDS scripture alone.

I tried to diffuse the situation saying “It may very well be in LDS scripture but any Christian would be familiar with Mathew 13”. With that I started to tell the three parables.

Guy went through the roof, at that point, and I said “Look may be I don’t understand this correctly. It’s not as if I am a theologian”.

Got him to agree we should change the subject and later I went to Mathew again and there it was plain as day; The Three Parables which are closed out by the “New Testament” version of the the Pearl of Great Price.

I couldn’t believe after all these of years of not even opening a Bible I had recalled, much less retained, the passage.

I have concluded LDS needs to co-opt, plagiarize and denigrate all of Christianity, otherwise why would there be a need for “The Restoration”.

Still, it’s even funnier being a Master Mason, seeing the same ceremonies, rites and rituals you find in Masonry as part of their worthiness program.

None of it’s an accident and they now want to claim they are Christian? After railing all of Christianity for 150 years?

Why?

So they can mainstream their religion while still calling us apostates and whores of Babylon?

No way, man.