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To: CTrent1564

The RCC also made up the ascension of Mary, so what? There goes their credibility.


418 posted on 01/29/2011 8:57:58 PM PST by CynicalBear
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CynicalBear:

There has never been such as thing as the Ascension of Mary. The Ascenion refers to Christ as stated in the Nicene Creed, “He Ascended into Heaven” which means by his own power and person.

Mary was “Assumed into Heaven” through the Power of God as it is taught that she experienced the fruits of her Divine Son’s Resurrection and was assumed to heaven.

Ultimately, all of us who do indeed die in God’s Grace, will be “Assumed to heaven” just as every other named Saint and unnamed Saint was as none of us will ascend to heaven in our own power.

At the resurrection of the Dead and Body [also dogmatic teachings expressed in the Apostles and Nicene Creeds], those who die with Christ will be resurrected by and through him and assumed into heaven.

Whether or not you accept what the Catholic Church calls the Assumption of Mary or the Orthodox CHurch calls the Dormition of Mary, there is a major theological difference between “Ascension” and “Assumption”.


420 posted on 01/29/2011 9:08:48 PM PST by CTrent1564
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Did Martin Luther act infallibly when he determined what books belonged in his Bible?

All this requires is a simple "yes," or "no."

If he didn't, how do you know that you have the correct Bible?

In his introduction to the Apocalypse, Luther said:

About this Book of the Revelation of John, I leave everyone free to hold his own opinions. I would not have anyone bound to my opinion or judgment. I say what I feel. I miss more than one thing in this book, and it makes me consider it to be neither apostolic nor prophetic. First and foremost, the apostles do not deal with visions, but prophesy in clear and plain words, as do Peter and Paul, and Christ in the gospel. For it befits the apostolic office to speak clearly of Christ and his deeds, without images and visions. Moreover there is no prophet in the Old Testament, to say nothing of the New, who deals so exclusively with visions and images. For myself, I think it approximates the Fourth Book of Esdras; I can in no way detect that the Holy Spirit produced it.

--Martin Luther's Preface to Revelation

I agree with his statement that no one should be "bound to [his] opinion and judgement" regarding the canonicity of Revelation. What authority did Luther have to determine what books belong in the Bible?
422 posted on 01/29/2011 9:31:48 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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