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To: Mr Rogers
Here is an article I posted a long time ago about how the canon is viewed by Orthodox, Protestants and Catholics. If you goal is understanding, it should help. If it is just to piss in someone else’s wheaties, don’t bother.

Is the Protestant canon infallibly determined? How do you know? Who acted infallibly in determining it?

My object is not to "piss in your wheaties," but to humbly point out that Luther's notion of the Bible being "the sole rule of faith" for Christians is logically incoherent.

That's no small thing.

Note that in the first post, I provide the Catholic justification for intellectual trust in the canon of Scripture. It is a non-contradictory account.

60 posted on 01/23/2011 8:17:03 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Is the Protestant canon infallibly determined? How do you know? Who acted infallibly in determining it?

The fundamental misperception here is that the Protestant Reformers rejected the entirety of the church and sought to begin with some sort of clean slate to invent a new form of Christianity. They didn't. They sought to return to first principles, believing with some justification that the excesses of the Papacy and the priesthood in general that had built up over the centuries were straying from Christianity.

There is in fact support for these contentions. There had been reform movements in the past that didn't result in schism and breaking with Rome. What was different about this one? The priesthood and the Papacy itself was brought under scrutiny, that's what was different.

I have a question for you: you've asked several times if the Protestant canon is infallibly determined. I want to see you admit that those books within that canon are infallibly determined.

Can you do that? Just write "The books of the Protestant canon are infallibly determined." Easy enough to do. Surely you don't contest the canonicity of these books, do you? After all, they're the same books you accept yourself.

If you want to continue with the bluff and bluster about the Deutercanonical books, there is an answer for that, with which I'm certain you're familiar. These books were contained in the earliest Protestant Bibles and in many instances continue to be. However, their acceptance as canon was not clear at all and still is not; protest all you want but this is the truth.

64 posted on 01/23/2011 8:35:34 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

So its your position that the Bible is incomplete and fallible?


70 posted on 01/23/2011 8:55:59 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

“Is the Protestant canon infallibly determined? How do you know? Who acted infallibly in determining it?”

If you read the link I provided, it will answer your questions. The problem is that your view is shaped by a hierarchical church, so you are looking for some church authority that will tell you ‘infallibly’ what the canon is.

In the age of Luther, it was still permissible for Catholic theologians to debate the extent of scripture, and if parts were OK for public reading but not for doctrine.

Protestants continue and expand on that freedom, and believe that the canon is revealed by the Holy Spirit to His church. We reject the Apocrypha because it was written prior to Jesus, and we see no sign that either Jesus or the Apostles considered it authoritative. And in fact, the Catholic Church doesn’t necessarily believe the Apocrypha is acceptable for doctrine, although scripture itself teaches that if it isn’t acceptable for doctrine, then it isn’t scripture...


71 posted on 01/23/2011 9:11:31 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
These intellectually challenged have no response to your inquiry so they reply with taunts which serve as their justification.

These ones are addicted to their sinful prideful lives of personal interpretation of scripture which justifies their evil activities. They know Catholicism gave them the bible but to admit this salient fact would be an admission against self interest so they reside in a would of fiction.

99 posted on 01/23/2011 10:27:57 AM PST by bronx2 (while Jesus is the Alpha /Omega He has given us rituals which you reject to obtain the graces as to)
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