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To: Mr Rogers
On the question of the value of the Apocrypha for doctrine, Trent deliberately chose to remain ambiguous

The Council of Trent included the deuterocanonical books in the canon of Scripture, books that Luther rejected in hia canon of Scripture. Luther's canon differs from the Catholic canon, and the canon in common usage in his day. This much cannot be argued.

The question is, by what authority did Luther determine his canon of Scripture? Did he act infallibly?

202 posted on 01/23/2011 1:43:38 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

“The question is, by what authority did Luther determine his canon of Scripture? Did he act infallibly? “

Again, in Luther’s day, it was perfectly acceptable to debate the canon - which is why Trent finally came up with a list. Prior to Trent, there was no official, binding Catholic list.

So, for 1500 years, what did Christians do?

Of course, Rome tried to keep scripture out of the hand of common men, arguing that commoners weren’t capable of understanding it.

As I have told you multiple times, Protestants believe it is the Holy Spirit who guides us to truth, not the Pope.


228 posted on 01/23/2011 3:21:04 PM PST by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; Mr Rogers

>> “The question is, by what authority did Luther determine his canon of Scripture?” <<

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Where in the scriptures is the authorization to define a cannon of scripture?

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>> “Did he act infallibly?” <<

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Where is the scriptures is infallibility ascribed to any man but Christ?

Nowhere! The scriptures go out of the way to show the total fallibility of men, including the disciples, all of which were shown to be immensely fallible.
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256 posted on 01/23/2011 4:03:09 PM PST by editor-surveyor (NOBAMA - 2012)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Protestants did and do not follow the Lutheran canon. Luther did not like the books of Hebrews, James, Jude and Revelation, but his followers ignored his opinion and included them anyway. He also unsuccessfully tried to get rid of the Book of Esther.

The Protestant canon of today is that of the Hebrew bible, the Masoretic text.


261 posted on 01/23/2011 4:09:16 PM PST by Free Vulcan (The cult of Islam must be eradicated by any means necessary.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

“The Protestant canon of today is that of the Hebrew bible, the Masoretic text.”

That should read ‘the Old Testament Protestant canon...’

Not very clear there. I’ll sum up: Luther wanted to throw out several books in the New Testament plus Esther in the Old, and that was rejected by Protestants.

Luther also wanted to throw out the Apochrypha, and Protestants accepted that, adopting the canon of the Masoretic text, which is the Hebrew bible.

Protestants clearly didn’t see Luther as infallible.


275 posted on 01/23/2011 4:35:56 PM PST by Free Vulcan (The cult of Islam must be eradicated by any means necessary.)
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