Similarities between Mormonism and Scientology

epologetics.org via alma.edu ^ | Dec. 23, 2007

[Colofornian]

* Origins

o Based on entirely unevidenced stories

o Doctrines created and evolved over time, sometimes changing

* Founders

o Known for their extreme desire for wealth

o Known for telling stories and lies

o Convicted and imprisoned for illegal activities

o Died during their trouble with the law

* Legal troubles

o Involved in many illegal activities, in many cases as part of official organization doctrine and practices

o Support destruction of outsiders, especially apostates (blood atonement, shunning, "fair game")

o Legal troubles led to changes in doctrine (at least on the surface, note polygamy and "fair game")

* Teachings

o Pre- and post-mortal existence

o Eternal progression (godhood, clear thetan)

o Only way to know truth is to experience it yourself

o Christianity, Bible only partly true

o Focus on thriving and happiness in present life rather than the afterlife or eternal life

o "Salvation" by works

o Give "milk" instead of "meat"

o Official endorsement of lying about or avoiding discussion of controversial doctrines, especially origin of man and key figures (Heavenly Father, Xenu, spirit children, thetans, etc)

o Levels can be achieved (Operating Thetan levels, temple Mormons, eternal progression, different kingdoms)

o Resistance is dismissed as proof/evidence of validity

* Behavior

o Persecution complex

o Label and treat opposition as evil enemies ("Antis", "Suppressive Persons")

[SZonian]

Your post was clearly directed at the anti's, here, let me refresh your memory;

""The anti LDS have proven time and time again the methods and tools the antis employ comes from the same infested spirit..."

Now, you're the one comparing the anti's to the liberals, care to revise your remarks or do you stand by them?

[svcw]

[T Minus Four]

There is no reason to hate confused people who are under the influence and continue to stumble

Resty, we don't hate you, for goodness sake.

[T Minus Four]

Will somebody please expain why Resty keeps going on about Ron Reagan?!?!

[T Minus Four]

Carmel Indiana to get a whited sepulcher

Good way to put it (sigh).

[T Minus Four]

Now, you're the one comparing the anti's to the liberals, care to revise your remarks or do you stand by them?

What's sad and funny about that is that she is the one who refuses to make a stand for or against Romney.

[T Minus Four]

Let me rephrase that: she refuses to REVEAL her stand for or against Romney. Chicken.

[restornu]

Will somebody please expain why Resty keeps going on about Ron Reagan?!?!

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I really don’t know if antis are capable of connecting the dots but here goes…

Recently Ron Reagan spoke ill of his father Ronald Reagan in a book just published by Ron.

Steve Benson also spoke ill of his Grandfather Benson personal letters on the open internet

Both Ron and Steve are lefties!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2661622/posts?page=51#51

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2661622/posts?page=102#102

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2661622/replies?c=107

[T Minus Four]

And that has what to do with this thread about Mormonism and Scientology?

Ms. STENO!!!!

[SZonian]

"I really don’t know if antis are capable of connecting the dots..."

Really? Just once, just once would it be possible for you to make a comment without resorting to childish ad-hominems?

In regards to Benson and Reagan, does the fact that Benson is a lefty change anything about his witness in regards to mormonism? Is that the basis used to determine credibility? As demonstrated here on FR, yes. Exactly because he's turned his back on mormonism, he's subject to ridicule and scorn.

Let's look at dingy Harry. SLC must be keeping him on retainer because he says he's a good liberal because of his faith, not in spite of it. Yet he's given a captive audience at BYU to espouse his liberal agenda and ideals. Any true conservative mormon "leader" would have told that slug to go pound sand and find another forum.

The absolutely pathetic response from mormon FReepers when this dichotomy was exposed was to rail that he isn't representative of mormons. Well, did you call SLC about that? They're the ones who control BYU, so they must have thought enough of Harry's political persuasions to permit him to speak to the students and faculty there. Why should Benson be treated any differently?

I'll posit this, it's because he's an "anti", that's why. He's not a good lap dog for SLC to hold up as an example of mormons in prominent places/stature. Sweep him into the dustbin of history unless he changes his ways and comes back into the fold. It's like hiding the crazy aunt or uncle from public view.

So, what in the Sam hill does that have to do with the topic of the thread?

Nothing. Absolutely nothing, just strawmen built by the mormon FReeper in an attempt to get the thread off topic. But it's useful in regards to demonstrating the disingenous nature of mormons towards ex-mormons and anti's.

[T Minus Four]

You answered my question very well, thanks.

[restornu]

Like I said many have trouble with the bigger picture and lack of credability..

All this is ignored when it does not fit their agenda...

A sick wrap mind is ok with them

but then again maybe not when one reads what some have posted...

[T Minus Four]

Oh just shut up.

[svcw]

It is not possible. There are people who do not know and there are people who do not know they do not know.

[T Minus Four]

If she just realized how STOOPID she sounds (rolls eyes)

[rickomatic]

False. I have supplied links many many times. The erst is up to the individual.

So, my friend PD. Should I provide you with a link on the complexities of nuclear fusion, then, in your world I would be an expert on that? You see, PD. You don't have the answers. You don't have the knowledge. You only have deception, and the ability to hyperlink works that have been clearly disputed here, and by the very words of those whom you worship. And all the fine people on these threads are desperately trying to lead you to the real truth. You are stuck in a world in which you are trying to earn your exaltation. You are trying to work your way to God. You are no different than any of the myriad other false religions on this earth. The deception by Satan has always been that you can somehow earn your salvation. He tells this lie because it is exactly what his downfall was. Why not accept the free gift of salvation through God's grace as offered by the shed blood of Jesus Christ? To not do that, and to continue to try to earn your exaltation, you will only continue to blaspheme the Holy Spirit and run headlong down the path of your own destruction. Come home, my friend. He is waiting.

[T Minus Four]

Thank you! If he only knew all the prayers going up for him.

[PeachyKeen]

Oh my goodness..that was beautiful. I’ve been trying to come up with some words as everyone has been attempting. I’m not an ex-mormon, so I know I can’t really help that much. This is terrific and heart felt!

[svcw]

Nicely stated. Thanks.

[PeachyKeen]

Yes, everyday since I’ve been coming to these threads...