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To: UriÂ’el-2012
Doesn't it seem blasphemous for a mere created being to claim that they can perform a magic show and order the creator of the universe to become a matzoh and Passover wine ?

It seems that way because IMO it goes beyond blasphemous. They've missed the whole point of the Gospel when they determined this goulish behavior.

488 posted on 01/24/2011 3:10:06 PM PST by caww
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ST. IGNATIUS OF ANTIOCH (c. 110 A.D.)

I have no taste for corruptible food nor for the pleasures of this life. I desire the Bread of God, WHICH IS THE FLESH OF JESUS CHRIST, who was of the seed of David; and for drink I DESIRE HIS BLOOD, which is love incorruptible. (Letter to Romans 7:3)

Take care, then, to use one Eucharist, so that whatever you do, you do according to God: FOR THERE IS ONE FLESH OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, and one cup IN THE UNION OF HIS BLOOD; one ALTAR, as there is one bishop with the presbytery... (Letter to Philadelphians 4:1)

They [i.e. the Gnostics] abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not confess that THE EUCHARIST IS THE FLESH OF OUR SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in his goodness, raised up again. (Letter to Smyrn 7:1)


ST. JUSTIN THE MARTYR (c. 100 - 165 A.D.)

We call this food Eucharist; and no one else is permitted to partake of it, except one who believes our teaching to be true and who has been washed in the washing which is for the remission of sins and for regeneration [Baptism], and is thereby living as Christ has enjoined.

For not as common bread nor common drink do we receive these; but since Jesus Christ our Savior was made incarnate by the word of God and had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so too, as we have been taught, the food which has been made into the Eucharist by the Eucharistic prayer set down by Him, AND BY THE CHANGE OF WHICH our blood and flesh is nourished, IS BOTH THE FLESH AND THE BLOOD OF THAT INCARNATED JESUS. (First Apology 66)

Moreover, as I said before, concerning the sacrifices which you at that time offered, God speaks through Malachi [1:10-12]...It is of the SACRIFICES OFFERED TO HIM IN EVERY PLACE BY US, the Gentiles, that is, OF THE BREAD OF THE EUCHARIST AND LIKEWISE OF THE CUP OF THE EUCHARIST, that He speaks at that time; and He says that we glorify His name, while you profane it. (Dialogue with Trypho 41)



490 posted on 01/24/2011 3:15:12 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: caww

“blasphemous”?

Jesus said “ This is My Body”

in my prior post, read what St Ignatius said, personally taught the Faith by St John. do you understand that? this man sat at the feet of St John, talked to him, questioned him and he is a blaphemer? the man was torn apart by lions in Rome for his Faith.

Justin Martyr, taught by those who talked to the Apostles, another Martyr. Blasphemer??


491 posted on 01/24/2011 3:20:37 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: caww
U-2012>Doesn't it seem blasphemous for a mere created being to claim that they can perform a magic show and order the creator of the universe to become a matzoh and Passover wine ?

It seems that way because IMO it goes beyond blasphemous. They've missed the whole point of the Gospel when they determined this goulish behavior.

Go, and make disciples of all the nations in My Name, teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you,” [[Matt. xxviii. 19.]]

From Proof of the Gospel (the Demonstratio) by Eusebius.

Eusebius (265-339 CE) Bishop of Caesarea around 314 CE

Book III, Chapter 7, 136 (a-d), p. 157

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/pearse/morefathers/files/eusebius_de_05_book3.htm

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
496 posted on 01/24/2011 4:15:50 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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