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To: betty boop; xzins; kosta50; Alamo-Girl; Kolokotronis; wagglebee; James C. Bennett
What is particularly aggravating is the marshaling of considerable intellectual ability and resources to "proving" unbelief. Obviously, such a person is not trying to overcome his unbelief.

I think it takes much greater marshaling of one's intellectual ability to convince oneself that there are talking donkeys and snakes, imaginary friends in the sky, that dead people get up and walk away, or that paralysis is caused by demons.

By now we have a litany of reasons to doubt, or rather reasons justifying unbelief. So we know what such folks don't believe. But can any of these folks tell us what they do believe?

Nothing. I know here and now. Tomorrow is a maybe. Since you asked.

921 posted on 01/27/2011 1:46:46 PM PST by kosta50 (Pagan prayer to Mithra: "give me over to immortal birth so that I may be born again")
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To: kosta50; xzins; Alamo-Girl; Kolokotronis; wagglebee; James C. Bennett; YHAOS; MHGinTN; TXnMA
I think it takes much greater marshaling of one's intellectual ability to convince oneself that there are talking donkeys and snakes, imaginary friends in the sky, that dead people get up and walk away, or that paralysis is caused by demons.

But dear kosta, that is a pure strawman argument, a change of subject, a feat of legedemain. You begin by nattering about talking donkeys and snakes in order NOT to directly answer the question I posed. (Which had nothing to do with talking donkeys and/or snakes.)

And then, on this cheap basis, you extend your "finding" of absurdity to persons whom you believe may hold this view as described by you (i.e., relentless, mindless attachment to talking donkeys and/or snakes). In other words, first you define what is "wrong" with these people (they talk to donkeys and snakes), then you impute to them "guilt" for the "crime" that you've taken it upon yourself to define.

So now we can formally recognize that you are not averse to the use of the ad hominum attack, on top of the strawman argument.

Weird thing is, it seems to me that at last you have confessed to the nihilism that you elsewhere repeatedly have denied. Asked, "What do you believe? you wrote:

Nothing. I know here and now. Tomorrow is a maybe.

Nothing. "Nihil."

The sheer wrongness of this presupposition of "nothing" is appalling to me. It flies in the face of reason and observation.

But that to me is not the worst part. For since ancient times, human genius has understood the critical connection between ontology (being) and epistemology (knowing). If there is "nothing," then certainly there is no "being." And if that's the case, then there's nothing to be known.

Takes care of that problem, right there! LOLOL!

But only for a nihilist....

The rest of us are still here, still very much alive, still trying to grapple with the real problems of the truthful organization of our lives and families and communities.

Nihilist principles — might that be an oxymoron? — would seem to shed no light on such problems. But that's no surprise really. For if nothing exists, what could be having problems?

922 posted on 01/27/2011 2:51:00 PM PST by betty boop (Seek truth and beauty together; you will never find them apart. — F. M. Cornford)
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