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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MHGinTN; xzins; TXnMA; YHAOS; James C. Bennett; MarkBsnr; spirited irish
For one thing, there are no "gaps." The reason for that being: The Creator is not merely imaginary.

Oh? You saw him?

He is omniscient and omnipotent. By our observation, He HAD to be thus, to have made the world we see all around us as parts and participants thereof. :^)

Had to be? But he is "changeless", remember? Even though is said to have become his own "sweater"?

You are on record as saying that all views of God are opinions only.

Pretty much, unless you have objective evidence to the contrary that doesn't involve blind faith.

You even suggest that persons holding such opinions are morons.

There are all kinds of people on this planet, betty boop. :)

Further, you rule out testimony as having any evidentiary value whatsoever.

I take it with a grain of salt; that's all. Human recollection is very flawed, and unreliable.

Great. The position your line of thinking lands us in would seem to go something like this: Aletheia logos must succumb, must give "right of way," to doxa.

But "doxa" (since you use Greek terminiology), always means good opinion, praise, glory. It is used in suport of the "aletheia logos," not against it or else it's not "doxa." Aletheia logos" refers to a truthful, sworn statement — a "testimony" in the legal sense, and more. "Doxa" refers to whatever opinion commands public support at a given time. And times are ever a-changing....

You just said that I don't admit much of personal testimony, and yet you think I put public opinions above "true reason." And you say I am on a slippery slope? Slippery in what sense? LOL.

I hope you will soon find your "legs."

Or....?

822 posted on 01/23/2011 6:52:34 PM PST by kosta50 ("Spirit of Spirit...give me over to immortal birth so that I may be born again" -- Mithral prayer)
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To: kosta50; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MHGinTN; YHAOS

Kosta’s obvious hostility to God the Father is nothing new. Going back to the Garden (aka Atlantis and so forth) men have (over the course of their allotted lifetime) been sorting themselves out into two antithetical categories. On one side (side A) are those who seek the living Elohim while on the other (side B) are those who feel most comfortable with an impersonal force known as Elohim, or evolving matter, Christ Consciousness, the Force, etc.

Over the course of history, men have been willfully choosing which “side” they prefer: God the Father or the god of Forces (materialism/pantheism=naturalism).

Having made their choice, Side B (exemplified by Cain)eventually seal their doom by psychologically abusing, ridiculing, demonizing and finally murdering Side A. Prager agrees, and astutely noted that from the beginning of time, the very worst of our kind (Side B) have been murdering the very best (Side A).

In this thread, we can very clearly see these two sides, as well as Side B’s most obvious attempts at utterly destroying Side A by way of psychological abuse: ridicule, character assassination, contempt, and odious little remarks such as: “Oh? You saw him?”

From Comte to Hegel, Fourier to Karl Marx, Nechaev, Proudhon, Darwin, Lenin,and Anton LaVey, all were members of Side B.

Proudhon’s declaration synthesizes Side B’s hatred of God the Father Almighty :

“The first duty of man, on becoming free, is to continually hunt the idea of God out of his mind and conscience...for God..is hostile to our nature..Every step we take in advance is a victory in which we crush Divinity..”

Though Side B is free to reject God the Father, this does not mean that Side B is free of spiritual control. For if you refuse God the Father Almighty, you will find yourself confessing that another spirit is your “father”:

“I’m not the spawn of Satan, I’m the spawn of Lucifer,” confessed Transhumanist Max Moore. In 1991 Moore wrote that:

“Lucifer is the embodiment of reason...intelligence (and) critical thought. He stands against the dogma of God...He stands for the exploration of new ideas...Join me, join Lucifer, and join Extropy in fighting God and his entropic forces with our minds, our wills and our courage. God’s army is strong, but they are backed by ignorance, fear and cowardice. Reality is fundamentally on our side. Forward into the light!’

We should not find it strange that “death of God” revolutionaries Marx, Proudhon, Bakunin, and many more all hated God the Father but lauded the Devil as their liberator.

CS Lewis observed that God the Father endowed us with free will so that we can either choose Him or reject Him. The choice is ours to make. Hell said Lewis, exists precisely because Side B choose it.


834 posted on 01/24/2011 6:18:47 AM PST by spirited irish
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To: kosta50; Alamo-Girl; MHGinTN; xzins; TXnMA; YHAOS; James C. Bennett; MarkBsnr; spirited irish
But "doxa" (since you use Greek terminiology), always means good opinion, praise, glory. It is used in suport of the "aletheia logos," not against it or else it's not "doxa."

Spoken like a true sophist, kosta50! LOLOL!

Doxa was the main line of the sophists' business. They were traveling teachers who, for money, would teach your kid how to present himself to the public in ways that cultivate their "good opinion, praise, and glory" of your kid.... They were essentially traveling schools of political education and grooming. In the shallowest sense.

Socrates definitely took a dim view of such, which has nothing to do with aletheia logos, or "truthful word." There is no truth in the sophists' teachings and methods, and that is why what they were selling is called doxa, "opinion."

And not just in the sense of one man's opinion as against the opinions of other men, but also of the reigning public opinion of the time, the "spirit of the age." Zeitgeist.... collective consciousness. Whatever you want to call it.

Truth does not change. But doxa does....

841 posted on 01/24/2011 11:31:53 AM PST by betty boop (Seek truth and beauty together; you will never find them apart. — F. M. Cornford)
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