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To: Alamo-Girl
Isn't it interesting the lengths to which an intelligent human will go in order to assume a gap which is not there? If one merely denies in their heart that the spirit exists at all, then a phrase such as 'you shall surely die' (in dying you will die) can be dismissed with any of several seemingly good explanations.

However, if one starts with the axiom that the spirit, the soul, and the body exist and because they exist they have spatio-temporal limits (because without space things do not exist and without time events do not occur), attention is immediately focused upon how God has woven these together in such a way that an individual functions under the influence of the soul and the spirit ... if one is diligently seeking to know God and His wondrous creation.

As God defined Himself Alpha and Omega, He established/set the absolute limits of creation to be between His essence ... no thing except God has, can or will exist beyond Alpha and Omega. By starting with that as axiomatic, the Bible hints that no thing is beyond the reach of humanity's intellect, given enough time to explore the 'limits wells' in which all things exist. In discovering the complexities, we do not eliminate the hand of the Creator; on the contrary, we affirm His Creativeness all the more! He Creates, His Spirit sustains, and He deigned to become flesh and dwell among us and now has the Body to dwell in Time and Space alongside His creation ... in any spatio-temporal realm He chooses.

It is an easy task to deny clear data in order to make a faux where/when for fanciful conjectures. But Science, being one of the most powerful inventions of humankind, if practiced honestly sweeps away deceit and views that which is, while not eschewing that which might be. The more humankind discovers about The Creation, the more we ought realize the complexities beg a Creator of such devise. As Paul put it, we are without excuse to believe in God, since we have His universe always with us, with our sensing.

Returning to the notion that body, soul, AND spirit exist for each of us, I am left to believe a where/when of limits exists for each of these aspects I possess. God need not prove Himself to us, He has Created us and the universe in which we have consciousness. And He has left us clues that we have and will continue to have a level of consciousness IN His universe even after the body ceases to function. We ARE alive in a temporal sense greater than the linear track of present sensing by the body's physiology connected to the behavior mechanism we call soul.

Genesis 2:17 instructs that a level of 'being alive' was lost in Adam's willful disobedience (in dying at spirit level, you shall surely die at soul level, for the spirit is the immediate source of life of the soul, as the soul is the immediate source of life for the body; and just incase you eat of the tree of life and live forever in your 'dead-spirit' state, the fruit of immortal physical life shall be with held from you now ... paraphrasing Genesis).

We tend to think of dimension Time as a linear thing, segmented into pieces of present. But the universe exists in the volume of dimension Time, thus the 'death-bound' spirit exists in a volume which places that 'thing' in an eternal juxtaposition with the temporally limited physical body via the functioning soul. I would wander off into description of the planar temporal state of the soul, as related to the volumetric temporal spirit and the linear temporal body, but I suspect there is enough 'modernist' speculation in the above for Kosta and others to ridicule to their heart's content.

But all the ridicule will not change God's "muwth muwth" of Genesis 2:17.

430 posted on 01/19/2011 9:20:44 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN; betty boop; xzins
Returning to the notion that body, soul, AND spirit exist for each of us, I am left to believe a where/when of limits exists for each of these aspects I possess. God need not prove Himself to us, He has Created us and the universe in which we have consciousness. And He has left us clues that we have and will continue to have a level of consciousness IN His universe even after the body ceases to function. We ARE alive in a temporal sense greater than the linear track of present sensing by the body's physiology connected to the behavior mechanism we call soul.

Indeed. betty boop gave me a book which explores the misguiding path of philosophy circa Descartes which ultimately resulted in science relying on a mechanistic universe and the recent realization of that derailing due to Relativity and Quantum Mechanics. And to that I would add Information Theory, Rosen et al. The book's title is "Cosmos and Transcendence" and I strongly recommend it to anyone interested in what happened.

Genesis 2:17 instructs that a level of 'being alive' was lost in Adam's willful disobedience (in dying at spirit level, you shall surely die at soul level, for the spirit is the immediate source of life of the soul, as the soul is the immediate source of life for the body; and just incase you eat of the tree of life and live forever in your 'dead-spirit' state, the fruit of immortal physical life shall be with held from you now ... paraphrasing Genesis).

We tend to think of dimension Time as a linear thing, segmented into pieces of present. But the universe exists in the volume of dimension Time, thus the 'death-bound' spirit exists in a volume which places that 'thing' in an eternal juxtaposition with the temporally limited physical body via the functioning soul.

So very true!

Thank you oh so very much for sharing your testimony, dear brother in Christ, and thank you for all your insights!

437 posted on 01/19/2011 10:54:34 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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