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To: D-fendr; James C. Bennett
But if I'm playing in the reason/logic sphere, I don't see a more compelling argument that existence ≠ caused

Observed reality suggests that all existence = caused. Which is the basis for Aquinas' premise. If that premise is true, then the opposite "all existence ≠ caused" is not true. If you want to play by reason/logic rules, this is why Aquinas' argument fails: the uncaused first cause cannot be said to exist if all that exists is caused.

1,357 posted on 02/12/2011 7:31:35 AM PST by kosta50 ("Spirit of Spirit....give me over to immortal birth so that I may be born again" -- pagan prayer)
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To: kosta50

My apologies I was thinking creation rather than existence. Aquinas doesn’t argue that existence=caused. He argues that in the sense world all we observe are intermediate and end causes… the first cause must exist because these exist.


1,361 posted on 02/12/2011 7:56:46 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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