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To: kosta50
That sounds as if creation occurred passively as a result of its existence and not of its will.

When I conceive in this area, things like will and want don't fit; maybe it's just me.

But since it exists eternally it would make sense the creation does also.

I can see that conclusion. I can also not see it. Conceptualizing the boundary between eternal and temporal is a pretty dicey deal IMHO.

Thanks for your post.

1,310 posted on 02/10/2011 10:55:03 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr; James C. Bennett
[kosta: That sounds as if creation occurred passively as a result of its existence and not of its will.]

D-fendr: When I conceive in this area, things like will and want don't fit; maybe it's just me.

D, you said the not "as an 'initiation' of creation" but that creation occurred "as a result of its [creator's] existence"Then it was not a willful act. How does that square with your Christian religion which says that God actively worked for seven proverbial days to create the world?

[kosta: But since it [creator] exists eternally it would make sense the creation does also.]

I can see that conclusion. I can also not see it. Conceptualizing the boundary between eternal and temporal is a pretty dicey deal IMHO.

If the world is merely a consequence of the uncaused first cause's eternal existence (not its will or willful act),  then the world must have existed eternally. This is contrary to the Big Bang evidence.

1,328 posted on 02/10/2011 9:41:48 PM PST by kosta50 ("Spirit of Spirit....give me over to immortal birth so that I may be born again" -- pagan prayer)
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