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To: D-fendr; James C. Bennett
In the theological definition it means not bound by time, not in time, not finite, etc., more concisely: "outside time" or transcending time

This is sheer nonsense, imo. The logical question then is: At which "point" in eternity did this "uncaused" mover move to create, what caused it to create, and why?

1,180 posted on 02/07/2011 1:01:50 PM PST by kosta50 ("Spirit of Spirit....give me over to immortal birth so that I may be born again" -- pagan prayer)
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To: kosta50
The logical question then is: At which "point" in eternity

And the logical answer is that if there is no time, there is no such thing as a point in time.

1,182 posted on 02/07/2011 1:39:48 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: kosta50
what caused it to create

If it has a cause, it is dependent. And you have the turtles problem again, you've left the argument, or rather validated the reasoning for an uncaused first cause.

I'm sticking within the first cause argument restriction here, irrespective of what you call it. If you take it to more religious area, then you can discuss God's motivation.

1,183 posted on 02/07/2011 1:46:53 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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