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To: spunkets
In order to know what man is not, one must have an idea of what man is. Only then can the transcendent BS be contrived to differentiate man from his transcendent creator and overlord.

We know what man is not. Man is mortal, finite, imperfect, not all knowing, not all powerful, not eternal, etc.

That stuff contradicts Gen 1:26,27 that says man is an Image of God

An image is not the thing it represent. An image is a representation of the thing. Thus man, as an image of God,  represents God on earth. 

Likewise, man cannot become God any more than your picture can become you.

They shure do. Here's a video of a stray dog rescuing another stray dog from an expressway somewhere in S. America

Dogs learn behavior just like we do. They in particular are responsive to humans and pretty much adopt their ways within their capacities. But mentally they are on a 2-year-old level, and a 2-year-old doe snot relaly know what comparison is, at least not intrinsically.

There was no fall. Gen 3 is a parable

Oh, so Gen 1"26-27 is literal and Gen 3 is a parable. More Spnuketism.

It is by Free Will that folks determine if they live in Heaven. Matthew 12:32,

And there are many other instances in the Bible where the authors declare that God has decided before the world was even created on the fate of each and every soul.

Thre's only one truth, not many. You previously listed more than one "Christian" groups as mainline.

Yes, they are Christian because they all share what Christian establishment declared in the 4th century to be Christian faith, namely Three Hypostases (Persons) in one Nature (Godhead). You will just have to declare your own Spunketism variety of Christain following.

Doctrinal decisions made by past councils do not determine truth.

But you do? LOL.

I capitalized the word lord [in Ps 1101:1], which was a translation of the Hebrew adonee

Biblical Hebrew doesn't have capitals, so I don;t know why you capitalized it. Adonee simply applies to a secular master, in this case the master of the psalmist, which would be King David.

Jesus was counted among the wicked and God's day of vengeance and salvation is given in Isaiah 63. That day was Good Friday.

Again, that's Spunketism.

Christians don't believe the passage refers to some future Davidic rule.

You are right. Christianity took a little form Judaism, a lot form paganism and made a new religion, stealing much of the words and making their own concepts the way you are doing, and calling it the truth. Nothing new.

Jesus raised some others, then Himself and the rest would follow.

He (suppsedly) raised some because the NT insists he was given the power to do so. Just as the apostles supposedly raised people form the dead after Jesus. That doens;t make them gods.

The NT, however, states unequivocally that Jesus was raised by God. No writer claims, after the event, that he raised himself.

1,138 posted on 02/06/2011 11:44:31 AM PST by kosta50 ("Spirit of Spirit....give me over to immortal birth so that I may be born again" -- pagan prayer)
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To: kosta50
"An image is not the thing it represent. An image is a representation of the thing. Thus man, as an image of God, represents God on earth."The first two statements are true, but the conclusion which follows is false. Man is an instantiation of the representation, not the representation itself and He certainly does not represent God. God as an instantiation of that Image can represent Himself.

"Dogs learn behavior just like we do.

The display of compassion shown by the dog in the flick was not learned. The compassion arose from the dog's own mind.

"But mentally they are on a 2-year-old level, and a 2-year-old doe snot relaly know what comparison is, at least not intrinsically.

You probably meant compassion. Both compassion and comparison are concepts that one does not have to ponder to be motivated by, or to act accordingly. Dogs make comparisons just as they act motivated by feelings of love and compassion. That's one of the purposes of the limbic system.

"Oh, so Gen 1"26-27 is literal and Gen 3 is a parable."

Gen 1, 2 and 3 are parable.

Re: It is by Free Will that folks determine if they live in Heaven. Matthew 12:32,

"And there are many other instances in the Bible where the authors declare that God has decided before the world was even created on the fate of each and every soul.

There are none. God's gift of life included their sovereignty of will.

Re: "Doctrinal decisions made by past councils do not determine truth.

"But you do? LOL."

The truth of any claims, or matters is determined by a rational examination of the relevant evidence. Democracy is not a logical operation.

"...what Christian establishment declared in the 4th century to be Christian faith, namely Three Hypostases (Persons) in one Nature (Godhead)."

I'll be limited by any particular thinkers and their declarations. What is written in Gen 1 about man being made in the Image of God must hold. What was determined by some democratic process in the 4th century on the matter is irrelevant if they missed the fact that God is a Person. It makes absolutely no sense that a composition of persons is not a person, or that man which is an instantiation of the Image, is not a person, because the Image does not represent a person.

"The NT, however, states unequivocally that Jesus was raised by God. No writer claims, after the event, that he raised himself."

John 2:19, "Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”

1,142 posted on 02/06/2011 5:03:46 PM PST by spunkets
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To: kosta50
"Godhead is an awkward English construct of the Greek word θεοτης (theotes) means divinity. It's a quality, not a person.

" θεότης ", theotes is found in Colossians 2:9. It's a noun which translates as Deity.

Col 2:9, "For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form," Theotes refers to the Deity who is, in all His fullness a Person - Jesus. God, the Deity, the Theotes, the Godhead is a Person.

1,150 posted on 02/06/2011 10:24:21 PM PST by spunkets
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